Warrior General Games

Originally posted by marcello
Originally posted by Southfla

What do you guys think of Never Give Up? Seams to be pretty useful so far.

I think I would never use it.

Anytime your player falls down you would be using it. Of course you would use it. Maybe I misunderstood your comment that you wouldn't put points into Never Give Up. But why? Especially if your a weaker safety. Anytime you dive for a PD, miss a tackle, get pancaked, you get up fast and in time to still make a play. I would say Zone specialist, ballhawk if you combo them are better. Football Genius is better. But I think for a weaker safety this SA could match up against Long reach and clutch. just my opinion.

Originally posted by Southfla
Originally posted by marcello

Originally posted by Southfla


What do you guys think of Never Give Up? Seams to be pretty useful so far.

I think I would never use it.

Anytime your player falls down you would be using it. Of course you would use it. Maybe I misunderstood your comment that you wouldn't put points into Never Give Up. But why? Especially if your a weaker safety. Anytime you dive for a PD, miss a tackle, get pancaked, you get up fast and in time to still make a play. I would say Zone specialist, ballhawk if you combo them are better. Football Genius is better. But I think for a weaker safety this SA could match up against Long reach and clutch. just my opinion.

Simply make it so your safety doesn't get knocked down in the 1st place. Loser VA IMHO.

That's fine. A lot easier said than done. And no matter how you build your safety he's going to fall down once in a while. It's more of a safety net in case he falls down or gets knocked down.. obviously if you play gutted teams or team wins 255-0 your not gonna get knocked down. but for some of us who are on not so good teams or play tougher competition this may prove to be a useful va. Thanks for the advice though I am going to change this VA next season but i wouldnt call it a loser VA.

Originally posted by crystali
Originally posted by Southfla

Originally posted by marcello


Originally posted by Southfla



What do you guys think of Never Give Up? Seams to be pretty useful so far.

I think I would never use it.

Anytime your player falls down you would be using it. Of course you would use it. Maybe I misunderstood your comment that you wouldn't put points into Never Give Up. But why? Especially if your a weaker safety. Anytime you dive for a PD, miss a tackle, get pancaked, you get up fast and in time to still make a play. I would say Zone specialist, ballhawk if you combo them are better. Football Genius is better. But I think for a weaker safety this SA could match up against Long reach and clutch. just my opinion.

Simply make it so your safety doesn't get knocked down in the 1st place. Loser VA IMHO.

Originally posted by crystali
Simply make it so your safety doesn't get knocked down in the 1st place. Loser VA IMHO.

That may work if you're talking about a run-stuffing SS, but not a well-built FS, who should be focused on pass coverage. For a FS to get enough strength to not get knocked down fairly regularly by TEs & HBs means he's giving up too much in other major attributes. That said, imo Never Give Up isn't in the top 5 FS VAs as it won't activate often enough to make it worthwhile vs. some of the other options, but I wouldn't call it a 'loser VA' either.

Originally posted by Southfla
Anytime your player falls down you would be using it. Of course you would use it. Maybe I misunderstood your comment that you wouldn't put points into Never Give Up. But why? Especially if your a weaker safety. Anytime you dive for a PD, miss a tackle, get pancaked, you get up fast and in time to still make a play. I would say Zone specialist, ballhawk if you combo them are better. Football Genius is better. But I think for a weaker safety this SA could match up against Long reach and clutch. just my opinion.

Once you're down, you're basically out of the play and getting up a little faster really isn't going to help. Wasted VA points at a position where there are some really great VA's.

Originally posted by crystali
Simply make it so your safety doesn't get knocked down in the 1st place. Loser VA IMHO.

Can't you say that with a lot of VA's? Like Sure Tackler. Just don't miss the tackle in the first place?