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Originally posted by byrongame21
For everyone's information, the owner of Jakarta was a GM for Albuquerque last season, helping out here as he ran the other team. As I'm sure all of you know, serious dedication to this program takes large amounts of time and effort. Believe it or not, this is JUST A GAME. Real-life situations occurred that I would NEVER wish on anyone, and the owner of Jakarta was unable to keep up with either team, let alone BOTH. He told us this a number of days ago, and offerred to sign us on this other team he was a part of, rather than shipping us all away and letting us fend for ourselves. I understand the frustration, I understand the bitterness, and I don't think it's uncalled for, but before you start talking shit about an individual who did what he did because his newborn son has been hospitalized for an extended period of time, take a step back and think about what his real priorities are. I love this game, the strategy, the scouting, building players, etc., I've spent days and weeks assembling other teams, trying to fill those final holes, competing with a seemingly endless amount of other owners/GMs to sing free agents, and I understand the justified reaction, but its still just a GAME, and real life scenarios tend to take precedence over it. As I've been reading on threads about karma and what not, that's fine, if this is going to be as lopsided as you guys think it is, then we'll be gone after this next season and everything will be "back to normal" as far as this game is concerned. I don't see it as cut and dry as that, but I guess we will see what's to come.

Again, this is not an attack on any individual, team, or whoever might wanna start some personal beef with me, I'm simply trying to defend the actions of someone who currently does not have the time to read these forums and defend himself.

I feel complete and utter sympathy for the guy. I hope, without reservation, that everything goes as well as can possibly be hoped for for his child and his family. He has my sympathies, best wishes, and sincerest condolences that this kind of situation had to hit him and his family, and especially a child. I can say that without reservation, and don't feel it has anything whatsoever to do with the game. I bear nothing deeply personal against anyone, nor wish them any real life hardship.

That said - yes, this is a game. Its what a lot of us do for fun and recreation. We pour our time, our money and a lot of dedication into building our teams as best we can. If you look through the threads, you'll see this is both an incredibly competitive, and very, very active division. There is amazing sportsmanship here, even if the East vs. West has gotten touchy here and there. Even at its absolute worst, its never been half as bad as a ton of other forums here where people seem to genuinely hate each other. By and large, I think almost everyone here at least respects one another, and we do our best to compete.

What you guys did by moving a team that competed for players in a whole different arena, didn't have the stigma of being a 'mere' BBB team, and utterly out-levels everyone here makes the game less competitive and less fun. While you have karma issues, its still sort of like playing chess with a twelve year old and playing to win. Barring a lot of luck, or a truly exceptional kid and set of ciricumstances, you're going to win the majority of the time. Its not competitive and its not much fun, and mostly just frustrating for everyone else. It adds nothing to the game.

After watching the competitive drive and the hard work Caprica, Rushmore, Lima and the rest put in over last season, and expecting it this season, you bet I wish them luck playing against you this season.

Do I hate you or the team owner personally? Nope. I wish you all the best in every fashion /except/ for a garbage move on a game that will be less fun for the next month and a half.

Do I still think moving into this league is going to make things much less itneresting and fun for a season? Yup. And that I'm not fond of, and I think it discredits a lot of the really hard work all these guys had to do to and all the time and effort they put forth.

So seriously, teams in the West that aren't Albequerque, seriously and without reservations, good luck.

You're right, I'm making up the story to make us look better on a computer-run football simulation program. I'm sure that maybe not all of those seven teams you speak of were telling the truth, but I'm also sure some of them were not lying to you, because this game is played for enjoyment by REAL people that lead REAL lives that sometimes take unfortunate turns. If you honestly think I took the time to come up with some elaborate falsification of what is actually going on, then that's your opinion, what I personally think of it does not matter. I'm not expecting sympathy, no one is, I'm expecting everyone to take a run at us, just liek they should at every opponent, and I would hope this would be the case under any circumstances because I wouldn't do any less myself with any team I am a part of.

Thank you Chase for your understanding, I agree with your feelings on basically everything you said, and I apologize for the circumstances we have brought on your league. I have overexplained myself already, good luck to everyone in both conferences in all of their games.

Originally posted by DeathKnight000
it seems to me that every gutted team has a "real life issue" like a car accident or a child hospitalized. This is the 7th team i have seen come forward with an excuse of some sort. I for one dont believe a word they say. I hope the devils burn in a car wreck.

Having just posted my own thoughts in as straightforward, but respectful a manner as I could, with sympathies for an entirely possible real life situation, I don't think this was called for, and honestly DeathKnight, I think you're better than this.

If it is a lie, and since I don't know any of the people personally, I guess it could be, then yeah, it would be a crap thing to do. But I see no reason not to accept that the guy could seriously be hurting. If he is, I have every sympathy for him, his son and his family.

That sympathy just doesn't happen to carry over into deciding that the garbage move into this division happens to be in great spirit of competition, or that winning a championship against teams leveled way below them is somehow ok because he's in one of the most horrible situations I can imagine in real life. The situations are not the same, the one does not make the other ok.

In no way does that mean any of us should be /personally/ insulting. Let's keep it to being between teams. I can wholeheartedly wish that his team goes to the championship and loses so they can both move on and out, without feeling the need to give themselves any undeserved accolades, while still wishing the guy and his son the best, and I can loudly and roundly boo for Albequerque every damn game this season while still hoping that the guy's son ends up perfectly fine, which is exactly what I intend to do this season.

Originally posted by byrongame21
For everyone's information, the owner of Jakarta was a GM for Albuquerque last season, helping out here as he ran the other team. As I'm sure all of you know, serious dedication to this program takes large amounts of time and effort. Believe it or not, this is JUST A GAME. Real-life situations occurred that I would NEVER wish on anyone, and the owner of Jakarta was unable to keep up with either team, let alone BOTH. He told us this a number of days ago, and offerred to sign us on this other team he was a part of, rather than shipping us all away and letting us fend for ourselves. I understand the frustration, I understand the bitterness, and I don't think it's uncalled for, but before you start talking shit about an individual who did what he did because his newborn son has been hospitalized for an extended period of time, take a step back and think about what his real priorities are. I love this game, the strategy, the scouting, building players, etc., I've spent days and weeks assembling other teams, trying to fill those final holes, competing with a seemingly endless amount of other owners/GMs to sing free agents, and I understand the justified reaction, but its still just a GAME, and real life scenarios tend to take precedence over it. As I've been reading on threads about karma and what not, that's fine, if this is going to be as lopsided as you guys think it is, then we'll be gone after this next season and everything will be "back to normal" as far as this game is concerned. I don't see it as cut and dry as that, but I guess we will see what's to come.

Again, this is not an attack on any individual, team, or whoever might wanna start some personal beef with me, I'm simply trying to defend the actions of someone who currently does not have the time to read these forums and defend himself.

All fine and dandy, but when people on the team come wandering in here thumping their chests looking for recognition it kinda fans the flames a bit, wouldn't you think???

I'm glad you were all able to stay together and have the whole Kum-Bay-Ya thing going on, but it sucks when constantly at the lowest levelled leagues that we seem to have these things happening over and over again....

Part of me thinks the Admins screwed the pooch when they allowed the Alpha Testers to have more than one team and began to basically encourage a whole "Farm Team" mentality.

Well this is the result. The farm team eventually gets a massive influx from the main team and upsets the competitive balance of a lower division.

Your "Just a game" thesis would hold more water if it were a free game, but it isn't..... No one is saying you don't have a right to do what you did as it is hardly against the rules (though to some extent it should be), but don't tell me you wouldn't think it absolutely sucks if the situations were reversed...

And oh sure, maybe you'll be gone next year and "everything will be back to normal" until the DVDTalk Otters bring in a squad of ringers and this shit starts all over again..... It gets tiresome is all...

Apologies, crossed up post with chase and didn't see her comments or your response so not trying to beat a dead horse....

I don't understand how a sick child justifies gutting a team and moving them to an easier division? If he has issues then leave his players were they are and appoint a gm to run his team.. why screw other people over?

I already told you that I understand the feelings, and you bet your ass that I would feel the same way if the roles were reversed. I was not attempting to "thump my chest" as you put it above, I was simply trying to enter the conversation, since I seem to be as active and interested as many of you are in this game, a refreshing change from the previous league I was a part of. Again, I apologize for upsetting all of you that we have, and I completely agree about the "farm team" notion. Everyone here knows that this game is far from perfect and still has a large number of things that need to be corrected across the board.

Again Byron... My post got crossed up with chase's and your response... Wasn't trying to be repetitive...

Not conceding defeat but it really kinda sucks for those of us who were really thinking we had a great shot this season.

No problem Payton, I have no hard feelings. And as to JM (I should really start quoting these responses), there is no justification to what has been done, simply an explanation of how and why it happened. I admit that we could have all stayed, but we decided to follow an individual who was a fair and honest owner for us on our previous team, and help him out in a venue where he can escape the real pains of real life. It was at your guys expense, or will be, and I apologize for the final time in that regard.

And just for the record, the amount of posts and the fact that everyone involved (recently) is currently online is mind-boggling. Everyone's dedication is refreshing, I just wish I could have entered under better circumstances.

I agree with you byron, when did any of us "thump our chest"?

Listen, here's the deal... Monoxide decided he couldn't keep up with the team. But, still wanted to be involved, and while he was one of the GM's of the Devils, we all still wanted to be a part of the group.

None of us wanted to own the Vikings, I don't have the time for that, and none of us wanted to be the GM of the team. (I was one of them, i just don't have the time for all of that).

So, we were made an offer to keep stay with some of the same people.

Our morale has taken a huge hit, so we're not going to be as effective as our levels will look. In-fact, a well built team can beat us easily.

I would be very upset if the roles were reversed, but being an insider, I wanted to stay with all the same people, and I'm not trying to make an excuse...

Originally posted by byrongame21
For everyone's information, the owner of Jakarta was a GM for Albuquerque last season, helping out here as he ran the other team. As I'm sure all of you know, serious dedication to this program takes large amounts of time and effort. Believe it or not, this is JUST A GAME. Real-life situations occurred that I would NEVER wish on anyone, and the owner of Jakarta was unable to keep up with either team, let alone BOTH. He told us this a number of days ago, and offerred to sign us on this other team he was a part of, rather than shipping us all away and letting us fend for ourselves. I understand the frustration, I understand the bitterness, and I don't think it's uncalled for, but before you start talking shit about an individual who did what he did because his newborn son has been hospitalized for an extended period of time, take a step back and think about what his real priorities are. I love this game, the strategy, the scouting, building players, etc., I've spent days and weeks assembling other teams, trying to fill those final holes, competing with a seemingly endless amount of other owners/GMs to sing free agents, and I understand the justified reaction, but its still just a GAME, and real life scenarios tend to take precedence over it. As I've been reading on threads about karma and what not, that's fine, if this is going to be as lopsided as you guys think it is, then we'll be gone after this next season and everything will be "back to normal" as far as this game is concerned. I don't see it as cut and dry as that, but I guess we will see what's to come.

Again, this is not an attack on any individual, team, or whoever might wanna start some personal beef with me, I'm simply trying to defend the actions of someone who currently does not have the time to read these forums and defend himself.

What has happened to the owner of Jakarta is terrible. I hope everything works out for the best for him and his family during this troubled time.

Here is what I feel like I am missing...why didn't he just keep the team in the upper league, drop his other duties on other teams, focus on his team alone, and rely on his GMs during this time of trouble? It just seems like he didn't stop and consider the implications of infusing a low level league with top level talent?

Originally posted by k2skier
Originally posted by byrongame21

For everyone's information, the owner of Jakarta was a GM for Albuquerque last season, helping out here as he ran the other team. As I'm sure all of you know, serious dedication to this program takes large amounts of time and effort. Believe it or not, this is JUST A GAME. Real-life situations occurred that I would NEVER wish on anyone, and the owner of Jakarta was unable to keep up with either team, let alone BOTH. He told us this a number of days ago, and offerred to sign us on this other team he was a part of, rather than shipping us all away and letting us fend for ourselves. I understand the frustration, I understand the bitterness, and I don't think it's uncalled for, but before you start talking shit about an individual who did what he did because his newborn son has been hospitalized for an extended period of time, take a step back and think about what his real priorities are. I love this game, the strategy, the scouting, building players, etc., I've spent days and weeks assembling other teams, trying to fill those final holes, competing with a seemingly endless amount of other owners/GMs to sing free agents, and I understand the justified reaction, but its still just a GAME, and real life scenarios tend to take precedence over it. As I've been reading on threads about karma and what not, that's fine, if this is going to be as lopsided as you guys think it is, then we'll be gone after this next season and everything will be "back to normal" as far as this game is concerned. I don't see it as cut and dry as that, but I guess we will see what's to come.

Again, this is not an attack on any individual, team, or whoever might wanna start some personal beef with me, I'm simply trying to defend the actions of someone who currently does not have the time to read these forums and defend himself.

What has happened to the owner of Jakarta is terrible. I hope everything works out for the best for him and his family during this troubled time.

Here is what I feel like I am missing...why didn't he just keep the team in the upper league, drop his other duties on other teams, focus on his team alone, and rely on his GMs during this time of trouble? It just seems like he didn't stop and consider the implications of infusing a low level league with top level talent?

Again understood, but do you really think that was running through his mind, while he has had to deal with all of these other things? I can understand why that wasn't exactly his thought process during this whole ordeal.

Originally posted by k2skier
Here is what I feel like I am missing...why didn't he just keep the team in the upper league, drop his other duties on other teams, focus on his team alone, and rely on his GMs during this time of trouble? It just seems like he didn't stop and consider the implications of infusing a low level league with top level talent?

We had 3 GM's on the team. One of them resigned his players for a contract that ended at the end of the season, and he and his players went to another team. That left me and mikecraft (owner of devils)... I didn't want the responsibility for an entire team. That's why I don't own one. I reluctantly took the GM spot in the first place.

That being said, mono didn't have the time to put in all the work either.

So, just trying to tell you guys the story. Not that it makes you guys feel better or what. Just trying to shed a little light.