Warrior General Games

Originally posted by DiMo28
I can tell you from experience that you don't need to take kicking that high. While kicking is the most important attribute, you will easily surpass 120/130 if you put all EQ into kicker. Kicking does require other attributes such as agility that you will eventually need to spend SPs on.



You'll still have plenty of SP to spend on other attributes if you take Kicking to the 77-cap or 80-cap or 83-cap or even higher, imo. That is, unless you want a good level 40 kicker instead of a good level 55 kicker, but that's all up to what you're building for.

Originally posted by comeasur337
You'll still have plenty of SP to spend on other attributes if you take Kicking to the 77-cap or 80-cap or 83-cap or even higher, imo. That is, unless you want a good level 40 kicker instead of a good level 55 kicker, but that's all up to what you're building for.

Not as much as you think. Especially when you factor in needing a ton of confidence as well. I just don't see the need for that much kicking. It seems excessive and all that extra kicking doesn't help much on long FGs.

Originally posted by DiMo28
Not as much as you think. Especially when you factor in needing a ton of confidence as well. I just don't see the need for that much kicking. It seems excessive and all that extra kicking doesn't help much on long FGs.

I have a L41 K with 116 Kicking/84 Confidence (no custom, just L40 EQ) and all he has left to spend in is SAs. I only went to 68 on both and regret it a ton because once I finish in SAs I'll have nothing really worthwhile other than 3:1 in Agility/Vision/Strength which seems like such a waste when I could've had those points in Kicking early in the build. I'd rather have 130 Kicking than 115, tbh, just makes sense. Took my newest K to the 80-cap and might even go higher if I decide to keep him around and boost him some more.

Originally posted by comeasur337
I have a L41 K with 116 Kicking/84 Confidence (no custom, just L40 EQ) and all he has left to spend in is SAs. I only went to 68 on both and regret it a ton because once I finish in SAs I'll have nothing really worthwhile other than 3:1 in Agility/Vision/Strength which seems like such a waste when I could've had those points in Kicking early in the build. I'd rather have 130 Kicking than 115, tbh, just makes sense. Took my newest K to the 80-cap and might even go higher if I decide to keep him around and boost him some more.

Your level 41 K seems to be doing fine. Points in those categories are not a waste and help a lot. Especially with those missed extra points that everyone fusses about.

Originally posted by DiMo28
Your level 41 K seems to be doing fine. Points in those categories are not a waste and help a lot. Especially with those missed extra points that everyone fusses about.

Never spending a point in Automatic with him (I have 10 in it on another K and it's pretty worthless), and Big Boot has 2 AE pieces so won't even have to spend much there. After I get Calm Nerves up to 10, I'll be hard pressed to find something to spend on, with 3 full seasons of levels/boosts remaining. 80-cap seems like the minimum imo, but I like building to much higher caps than most people.

I'd have to cede the fact that if you think 3:1 vis, str is enough for kickers then you should dump way more into kicking.

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
I'd have to cede the fact that if you think 3:1 vis, str is enough for kickers then you should dump way more into kicking.



Until this seasons boosts my high level kicker didn't have more than 65 in Strength or Vision and did just fine, just spent some in there because it was either 3:1 in those or 4:1 in Agility.

Another build I wish I took to way higher caps to start out with, my L41 is already past him in Kicking/Confidence. I guess I can open all my kicker builds, there's nothing really to hide with them.

At least on Punters, I think Strength is overrated. I see most of the "football skills" attributes as abilities that help in all aspects of the action. So, for Punters... Punting helps you punt farther, with more accuracy, and more coffin corners. Assuming this (and I think it's a pretty fair assumption to make), adding Punting will be the greatest value and diminishing returns are far, far down the road in comparison to auxiliary stats.


And Puma: one thing you're disregarding with your math is that you're probably going to get a lot more out of training if you're pumping Punting that high. My punter is a S7 level 38 with 95 punting, 80 confidence, 69 vision, and 56 strength. I don't really see what I'd do with all that SP otherwise, especially since I'm slightly underwhelmed by dumping SP into strength so far. Came into the season with 28 or so strength and I haven't seen quite as large of an increase as I'd like in kicking strength. And if you use Soccer Star, you'll get a little bit more out of it by going an extra cap or two.

Just my two cents, but there is more to a punter than just the punting attribute. I somehow managed to get my punter's punting attribute up to 119.05 at level 38 (99.05 via SP+veteran ability and 20 via EQ) yet he only averaged 37.2 yards/punt this season. Once I boost him beyond level 40, I can take 5 veteran points and redistribute them to the "soccer star" and that should pump him near 122-123 with the level boost added in. If anyone has any suggestions to boost his yardage, I am open!

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 53.22
Speed: 18.22
Agility: 19.22
Jumping: 15.22
Stamina: 10
Vision: 19.22
Confidence: 55.05

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 8
Tackling: 31
Throwing: 15.22
Carrying: 10
Kicking: 9
Punting: 119.05

Special Abilities
Punting Abilities
Calm Nerves: 7
Hang Time: 7
Big Boot: 9

Veteran Abilities
Soccer Star: 10
Leg of Steel: 5

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1186498&playoffs=0

Yeah, your punter is woefully lacking on vision which likely makes him poor at coffin corners, and his confidence is low which will make him inconsistent. These are guesses based on his build. I don't have time to look back at his games.


Originally posted by Blamo

And Puma: one thing you're disregarding with your math is that you're probably going to get a lot more out of training if you're pumping Punting that high. My punter is a S7 level 38 with 95 punting, 80 confidence, 69 vision, and 56 strength. I don't really see what I'd do with all that SP otherwise, especially since I'm slightly underwhelmed by dumping SP into strength so far. Came into the season with 28 or so strength and I haven't seen quite as large of an increase as I'd like in kicking strength. And if you use Soccer Star, you'll get a little bit more out of it by going an extra cap or two.

Do you mean training punting or other attributes? I can't see this as making any difference what so ever to the ultimate level you reach in punting/kicking. Even if you were to train punting more, we can assume all will get equal amounts of training, relatively speaking anyway.

As I stated earlier, if you're happy with str and/or vision being less than third or fourth capped, yeah, it would be best to put that SP into P/K early on.

No, you can stop at 62 and be a great kicker. Punters/Kickers do not need 120+ in that one attribute to be "Great". A friend of mine has a kicker with ~108 kicking but close to 90 confidence... he misses 2-5 FG's a season. If he had 120+ kicking he would still miss 2-5 FG's a season... so no difference.

Originally posted by Challenge Everything
No, you can stop at 62 and be a great kicker. Punters/Kickers do not need 120+ in that one attribute to be "Great". A friend of mine has a kicker with ~108 kicking but close to 90 confidence... he misses 2-5 FG's a season. If he had 120+ kicking he would still miss 2-5 FG's a season... so no difference.

Or he could miss none. How would you know?

Originally posted by Challenge Everything
No, you can stop at 62 and be a great kicker. Punters/Kickers do not need 120+ in that one attribute to be "Great". A friend of mine has a kicker with ~108 kicking but close to 90 confidence... he misses 2-5 FG's a season. If he had 120+ kicking he would still miss 2-5 FG's a season... so no difference.

Link us to the build, and lets see how many TBs he gets.

Originally posted by Challenge Everything
No, you can stop at 62 and be a great kicker. Punters/Kickers do not need 120+ in that one attribute to be "Great". A friend of mine has a kicker with ~108 kicking but close to 90 confidence... he misses 2-5 FG's a season. If he had 120+ kicking he would still miss 2-5 FG's a season... so no difference.

Have fun with that build at level 50 when you have nothing to spend SP in and wish you had taken Kicking to 80+ early.

I've never seen a "great" kicker/punter with less than 120, tbh. It's not too hard to get 120+ Kicking/Punting and 90+ Confidence in a build, really.

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Link us to the build, and lets see how many TBs he gets.

Strength: 69.02
Agility: 55.02
Vision: 72.02
Confidence: 88.69

Kicking: 110

Special Abilities
Calm Nerves: 12
Big Boot: 10
Automatic: 10

Veteran Abilities
Booming Kick: 10
Clutch: 15

I see nothing wrong with this. He is level 48.