Perhaps it is just semantics, idk. But I think of an elusive back as being as least close in speed/agility ratio, not something like 100 speed and 80 agility.
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Originally posted by Chetro
Elusive backs are pretty rare... there's a lot of SPEED backs, not a ton of elusive ones (at least not that i've seen)
if you really want an elusive, agility should be as high or higher than speed, but IMO should stay fairly close to a 1:1 ratio.
Originally posted by whatje
this is an arbitrary classification
Originally posted by Chetro
No, it isn't. There is a major difference between speed backs and elusive backs. Saying there isn't is like saying power backs and combo backs are the same too.
Know your dotball fool.
arbitrary: subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion
arbitrary also can mean: Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference
Originally posted by Chetro
Perhaps it is just semantics, idk. But I think of an elusive back as being as least close in speed/agility ratio, not something like 100 speed and 80 agility.
Please re-read the definition of arbitrary.
It sux to be u tbh
Elusive backs are pretty rare... there's a lot of SPEED backs, not a ton of elusive ones (at least not that i've seen)
if you really want an elusive, agility should be as high or higher than speed, but IMO should stay fairly close to a 1:1 ratio.
Originally posted by whatje
this is an arbitrary classification
Originally posted by Chetro
No, it isn't. There is a major difference between speed backs and elusive backs. Saying there isn't is like saying power backs and combo backs are the same too.
Know your dotball fool.
arbitrary: subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion
arbitrary also can mean: Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference
Originally posted by Chetro
Perhaps it is just semantics, idk. But I think of an elusive back as being as least close in speed/agility ratio, not something like 100 speed and 80 agility.
Please re-read the definition of arbitrary.
It sux to be u tbh
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Originally posted by whatje
Please re-read the definition of arbitrary.
It sux to be u tbh
It sucks to be have such a poor excuse for a rational mind, tbh.
Please re-read above posts. In my first post, I said "IMO.
Upon further discussion, Warbucks said a speed back has high speed and highish agility, while an elusive back has both high speed as well as high agility. FatNasty quoted that post, which I assume means he agrees. Saying a speed back has high speed and HIGHISH agility implies speed is higher than agility. Saying an elusive has high speed AND agility implies they are somewhat close to a 1:1 ratio, which is what I said to begin with. Therefore, Warbucks, FatNasty, and I all agree on elusive backs having more agility than speed backs, and usually close to equal speed and agility.
It would be "arbitrary" to say something like "Elusive backs always have at least 10% more agility than speed." As it is, though, I didn't say anything so specific it becomes arbitrary, I merely recognized the difference between speed and elusive backs, which others agreed exists.
Please re-read the definition of arbitrary.
It sux to be u tbh
It sucks to be have such a poor excuse for a rational mind, tbh.
Please re-read above posts. In my first post, I said "IMO.
Upon further discussion, Warbucks said a speed back has high speed and highish agility, while an elusive back has both high speed as well as high agility. FatNasty quoted that post, which I assume means he agrees. Saying a speed back has high speed and HIGHISH agility implies speed is higher than agility. Saying an elusive has high speed AND agility implies they are somewhat close to a 1:1 ratio, which is what I said to begin with. Therefore, Warbucks, FatNasty, and I all agree on elusive backs having more agility than speed backs, and usually close to equal speed and agility.
It would be "arbitrary" to say something like "Elusive backs always have at least 10% more agility than speed." As it is, though, I didn't say anything so specific it becomes arbitrary, I merely recognized the difference between speed and elusive backs, which others agreed exists.
Edited by Chetro on Aug 17, 2009 15:53:22
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I have a speed back and an elusive back. Can you guess witch one is which?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1223978
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1341008
My elusive has actually had better stats. He was averging over 300 ypg and around 16 ypc this pre season before they tried to even out the carries with the other back on the team.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1223978
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1341008
My elusive has actually had better stats. He was averging over 300 ypg and around 16 ypc this pre season before they tried to even out the carries with the other back on the team.
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Originally posted by Mad Dog23
I have a speed back and an elusive back. Can you guess witch one is which?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1223978
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1341008
My elusive has actually had better stats. He was averging over 300 ypg and around 16 ypc this pre season before they tried to even out the carries with the other back on the team.
Interesting. I haven't seen too many backs with such a wide split in agility over speed. I'm interested to see how your back progresses over the next few seasons. The only other back I saw with that large of a split (30 pts) was very successful though.
I have a speed back and an elusive back. Can you guess witch one is which?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1223978
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1341008
My elusive has actually had better stats. He was averging over 300 ypg and around 16 ypc this pre season before they tried to even out the carries with the other back on the team.
Interesting. I haven't seen too many backs with such a wide split in agility over speed. I'm interested to see how your back progresses over the next few seasons. The only other back I saw with that large of a split (30 pts) was very successful though.
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Originally posted by Chetro
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
I have a speed back and an elusive back. Can you guess witch one is which?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1223978
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1341008
My elusive has actually had better stats. He was averging over 300 ypg and around 16 ypc this pre season before they tried to even out the carries with the other back on the team.
Interesting. I haven't seen too many backs with such a wide split in agility over speed. I'm interested to see how your back progresses over the next few seasons. The only other back I saw with that large of a split (30 pts) was very successful though.
Well his name is Super E for a reason. I was building him to be a super elusive back, but he's isn't right yet(don't know if he ever will be) He is fun to watch, makes some crazy cuts. I'm thinking that his sa's will have to be high for this build to work. I was thinking of putting all additional eq in speed. What do you guys think? Or should I just go all the way with it? I do plan to take speed to at least 74 natual, maybe higher.
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
I have a speed back and an elusive back. Can you guess witch one is which?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1223978
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1341008
My elusive has actually had better stats. He was averging over 300 ypg and around 16 ypc this pre season before they tried to even out the carries with the other back on the team.
Interesting. I haven't seen too many backs with such a wide split in agility over speed. I'm interested to see how your back progresses over the next few seasons. The only other back I saw with that large of a split (30 pts) was very successful though.
Well his name is Super E for a reason. I was building him to be a super elusive back, but he's isn't right yet(don't know if he ever will be) He is fun to watch, makes some crazy cuts. I'm thinking that his sa's will have to be high for this build to work. I was thinking of putting all additional eq in speed. What do you guys think? Or should I just go all the way with it? I do plan to take speed to at least 74 natual, maybe higher.
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I say go all the way with it. Or, at least don't stop working on agility. Maybe when you get to like 48 and 56 eq put those 8 into speed, but for now I'd keep going with what you're doing. Pretty rare in GLB, and looks like it's working out for you so far. There's a ton of balanced backs, but builds like that are few and far between.
I agree on having high SAs though.
I agree on having high SAs though.
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102/80 IMO. A HB w/ good agility can earn his Equip $$$ by being able to work his way through a hole b/n the tackles.
With all of the new plays, that extra speed is helpful on the HB swing passes to beat the MLB outside, but w/o good agility, he is less likely to make the CB or SS in coverage miss.
I am sure somebody will hate my opinion, but that same somebody probably opened the thread, "Does Size Matter???," hoping the answer would be no.
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Originally posted by Chetro
It sucks to be have such a poor excuse for a rational mind, tbh.
Please re-read above posts. In my first post, I said "IMO.
Upon further discussion, Warbucks said a speed back has high speed and highish agility, while an elusive back has both high speed as well as high agility. FatNasty quoted that post, which I assume means he agrees. Saying a speed back has high speed and HIGHISH agility implies speed is higher than agility. Saying an elusive has high speed AND agility implies they are somewhat close to a 1:1 ratio, which is what I said to begin with. Therefore, Warbucks, FatNasty, and I all agree on elusive backs having more agility than speed backs, and usually close to equal speed and agility.
It would be "arbitrary" to say something like "Elusive backs always have at least 10% more agility than speed." As it is, though, I didn't say anything so specific it becomes arbitrary, I merely recognized the difference between speed and elusive backs, which others agreed exists.
how does 'imo' negate arbitrary?
you're an e-dick, dick.
It sucks to be have such a poor excuse for a rational mind, tbh.
Please re-read above posts. In my first post, I said "IMO.
Upon further discussion, Warbucks said a speed back has high speed and highish agility, while an elusive back has both high speed as well as high agility. FatNasty quoted that post, which I assume means he agrees. Saying a speed back has high speed and HIGHISH agility implies speed is higher than agility. Saying an elusive has high speed AND agility implies they are somewhat close to a 1:1 ratio, which is what I said to begin with. Therefore, Warbucks, FatNasty, and I all agree on elusive backs having more agility than speed backs, and usually close to equal speed and agility.
It would be "arbitrary" to say something like "Elusive backs always have at least 10% more agility than speed." As it is, though, I didn't say anything so specific it becomes arbitrary, I merely recognized the difference between speed and elusive backs, which others agreed exists.
how does 'imo' negate arbitrary?
you're an e-dick, dick.
Edited by whatje on Aug 17, 2009 19:57:34
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Originally posted by whatje
wtf does "imo" have to do with arbitrary?
you're an e-dick, dick.
Ignore the rest of the post chief, no one sees through your feeble attempts at taking away attention. Well done
For the record, IMO stands for in my opinion. So I was saying IN MY OPINION that is what an elusive back has and this is what a speed back has. Saying an opinion is arbitrary is redundant. You may want to re-read the definition of arbitrary.
arbitrary: subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion
Kinda sounds like an opinion, huh?
Your IQ is two points below whale shit, sir. You have been thoroughly proven wrong, I suggest you stop responding and save what little face you have left.
wtf does "imo" have to do with arbitrary?
you're an e-dick, dick.
Ignore the rest of the post chief, no one sees through your feeble attempts at taking away attention. Well done
For the record, IMO stands for in my opinion. So I was saying IN MY OPINION that is what an elusive back has and this is what a speed back has. Saying an opinion is arbitrary is redundant. You may want to re-read the definition of arbitrary.
arbitrary: subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion
Kinda sounds like an opinion, huh?
Your IQ is two points below whale shit, sir. You have been thoroughly proven wrong, I suggest you stop responding and save what little face you have left.
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Originally posted by whatje
you're like a bad joke. what sucks is you can probably vote. oh well.
LOL at not even attempting to continue the debate anymore. You just blatantly ran off track, knowing you lost.
You said the distinction between speed and elusive backs is arbitrary, I said it isn't. Others agreed it isn't, although we may have different ideas of EXACTLY where the line is.
Then you attempted to skate out of the conversation by asking what IMO has to do with arbitrary. I explained how you were being redundant, and your response was to abandon your previous arguments altogether.
Well done, sir, well done. You are a master of debate.
/end of lolargument
you're like a bad joke. what sucks is you can probably vote. oh well.
LOL at not even attempting to continue the debate anymore. You just blatantly ran off track, knowing you lost.
You said the distinction between speed and elusive backs is arbitrary, I said it isn't. Others agreed it isn't, although we may have different ideas of EXACTLY where the line is.
Then you attempted to skate out of the conversation by asking what IMO has to do with arbitrary. I explained how you were being redundant, and your response was to abandon your previous arguments altogether.
Well done, sir, well done. You are a master of debate.
/end of lolargument
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in order to debate, i'd actually have to have a point.
i'm just saying, for everyone else, that your definition of elusive v. speed backs is completely arbitrary. and it is.
but touche, you are in fact the winner.
i'm just saying, for everyone else, that your definition of elusive v. speed backs is completely arbitrary. and it is.
but touche, you are in fact the winner.
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Originally posted by Mad Dog23
I have a speed back and an elusive back. Can you guess witch one is which?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1223978
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1341008
My elusive has actually had better stats. He was averging over 300 ypg and around 16 ypc this pre season before they tried to even out the carries with the other back on the team.
The bad one is elusive.
I have a speed back and an elusive back. Can you guess witch one is which?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1223978
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1341008
My elusive has actually had better stats. He was averging over 300 ypg and around 16 ypc this pre season before they tried to even out the carries with the other back on the team.
The bad one is elusive.
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