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Is first step really necessary? Are you going to come to a complete stop to catch a ball? And how often would this occur if so? Seems a bit of a waste of points in my opinion.

Getting speed and agility to 74 and then letting them acrue naturally with every level up is enough of a base level right?

Originally posted by Sonic
Is first step really necessary? Are you going to come to a complete stop to catch a ball? And how often would this occur if so? Seems a bit of a waste of points in my opinion.

Getting speed and agility to 74 and then letting them acrue naturally with every level up is enough of a base level right?

Many CBs get first step.

Originally posted by Dynames
I think catching to 60 would be your best bet. My WR does fine with 60 catching.

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Originally posted by Sonic
Is first step really necessary? Are you going to come to a complete stop to catch a ball? And how often would this occur if so? Seems a bit of a waste of points in my opinion.

Getting speed and agility to 74 and then letting them acrue naturally with every level up is enough of a base level right?

IMO first step helps quite a bit in getting separation.

My wr who is 40something has over 100 speed qith eq. 70 something agility and about 60 catching.

Is 40 strength and carrying good?

Originally posted by MessorLord
My wr who is 40something has over 100 speed qith eq. 70 something agility and about 60 catching.

Is 40 strength and carrying good?


40 strength is fine. I would take carrying to the 48 cap.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Many CBs get first step.

And this helps with answering my question by telling me...? Why do they get it? Because someone else said they should? Give me valid reasons, not just many CB's get first step. This is sheep mentality.

Originally posted by SB
IMO first step helps quite a bit in getting separation.

Are you sure it is this that is giving the seperation, and not the combination of speed, agility and vision? Can you prove that First Step gives your player seperation?

SB, I refer this quotation below to the first quote in your previoius post:

Originally posted by Sonic
And this helps with answering my question by telling me...? Why do they get it? Because someone else said they should? Give me valid reasons, not just many CB's get first step. This is sheep mentality.

Originally posted by Sonic
Can you prove that First Step gives your player seperation?

how could it -not- help with separation? it's a boost to acceleration and temporary max speed.

need to look at the script that shows your max speed and acceleration and compare it to others and look at other factors like weight and height and then look at what other variables there are.

that will answer your question better than I can.

and also what is your role on the team?

Originally posted by monsterkill
how could it -not- help with separation? it's a boost to acceleration and temporary max speed.

again. take a look at the script and then compare all the factors.

it's quite interesting.

I just did a mini study with some CB's and a SS to max speed and max accel and how many ticks it took and it was very interesting.

a player with 85 speed did better than one with 95 speed . I wont say what all the other factors where though. do some homework . there are lot's of variables that I , and others, haven't nailed down 100% yet, but it's fun to watch and learn about .

but pretty much, from what I see so far.. aside from the .1-.2 each point in first step adds, it makes more of a difference in max acceleration for most of the players I have been able to look at.

but not all of them.


like I said, lots goes into the equation.


I'll give an example. and I dont think the 40 time applet is accurate at all, I just use it as an equal gauge.

player A= spd 92, agi 62 ht 6'1" wght 205 max spd=27.95, max accel=15.81 40 time 4.38

player B= spd 98, agi 69, ht 6'2" wght 181 max spd= 25.74, max accel= 22.38 40 time 4.23

player C= spd 85, agi 68 ht 6'4" wght 197 max spd = 27.50, max accel= 5.59 40 time 4.28


now this was limited to 2-3 plays average for regular season games so far, and there is a factor that is limiting player C's max acceleration I cant say, but I still think it's very telling. as you can see, the max speed is pretty close, even the lower speed guy does good, but the max acceleration has the biggest variable.

now... guess which player has the highest first step ?

hint.. the other two have almost 0 first step comparatively

Originally posted by Sonic
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks

Many CBs get first step.

And this helps with answering my question by telling me...? Why do they get it? Because someone else said they should? Give me valid reasons, not just many CB's get first step. This is sheep mentality.


No, idiot.
You asked if getting first step was worth it.
My answer lends insight by telling you the only important factor involved in whether you should raise a variable or not - the primary opponent you face will likely have it.
Whether it does a little or a lot is almost irrelevant to my point; you can take the gamble for yourself or choose not to. If you don't and you're wrong, you lose out, but if you're right you save the points for elsewhere.

Before you go retarded again and respond with something crass, I'll say that in my personal experience, first step for WRs is a very good SA. It supplements your speed off the line in a way no amount of agility can.
Here's an example from my last game.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=761778&pbp_id=4511661

According to the speed script, my WR experienced:
Max Acceleration 5.59
Point of Max Acceleration occurring during the first tick

It's clear from the replay that he experiences a burst of speed unlike any other occurring in the play.

There is more than one to build a WR.

i thought this thread was about just one of those ways, the 90 base speed way. in this case, first step is very good for what the build is trying to do

FS=Win button. When mine triggers, the ball is coming my way, you can't mess with 200 acceleration according to that game script.

FS is the shit, but having decent agility VS weight ratio can make a difference also.

max acceleration depends on several factors.