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Originally posted by jdros13
Not a fan of JTS.

And I am really trying to understand why some people are.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
And I am really trying to understand why some people are.

CUZ OMG they GET OFFz teh LINE so QUICK!

I thought I liked it...this season i removed it from all my guys....
The physical attribute VAs are still decent, 5VAs for +1
Who wouldn't want 3 more points of speed? Especially after you already have 3-4 situational ones

The way I see it, once you have vision capped you have like in the 90's% chance to pass the vision check. What's the use in wasting 15 vxp to get a 3% chance to get off the line when you already get off the line great 9 times out of 10. To me that's still 9 times out of 10 and a big waste of 15 v.a.

But maybe I am missing something. I dunno. Does it make you like faster when you get a jump? Where if you got the same jump without JTS you would be slower? I just don't get what people are seeing that make them like it so much.

I would like some footage please.

i put like 10 in it last season with my DE (50 or so vision). didn't see any difference at all. UD, if ur theory's right (and most anti-JTS people think that it is) then it has really limited value imo...seems like theres many better VAs for the D-Line

Originally posted by Phatboogie
Originally posted by OMGWTF



THE RESULTS:

First off, I've got to give some credit to Deathblade because without the "speed script" none of us would be able to see concrete evidence of our player's snap reaction time.

The Player: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=566691
• 67 vision
• 10 FS

Game 1: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=697282
- NO JtS
- 1 Encroachment
- 58% of snaps on first tick

Game 2: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=697279
- NO JtS
- More 1st tick misses as game progressed
- 49% of snaps on first tick

Game 3: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=697292
- 15 JtS
- 91% of snaps on first tick

Game 4: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=697289
- 15 JtS
- Why am I still compiling data?
- 81% of snaps on first tick

So halfway through the first game with +15 JtS it was painfully obvious that it has a significant effect, even with a player who has high vision.



Cool now do it from the second tick. Then while you're at it take into consideration, every good QB is maxing out hard count.

Post those results please.

Wait I can tell you. It results in your whole line jumping off sides 10+ times a game.

But with only 3 or 4 in JtS,, %age of going on the first snap will still go up 20% and your chance of offsides increases only a minuscule amount. Think about if a piece of AEQ give you a 10% situational bonus - nothing to sneeze at, right? Same for JtS. It's not worthwhile to increase vision to 65 to get off the line that quickly when you can get the same bonus (with a slight additional penalty) for at the most 5 VPs.

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
But with only 3 or 4 in JtS,, %age of going on the first snap will still go up 20% and your chance of offsides increases only a minuscule amount. Think about if a piece of AEQ give you a 10% situational bonus - nothing to sneeze at, right? Same for JtS. It's not worthwhile to increase vision to 65 to get off the line that quickly when you can get the same bonus (with a slight additional penalty) for at the most 5 VPs.

I definitely agree with you on that. 5 is nice. I think 15 is way too much.

I wouldn't do 15 unless you had it worked out specifically with the DC and built for that, like you say at that point it likely will cause too many offsides especially if more than one guy on the line has it.

I use 15 JTS and rarely ever get called for encroachment (maybe 4 times a season?). So, I don't see that as a deterrent.

I'd say without JtS the average for most d-linemen with >40 vision is about 1 encroachment per season.

4 encroachments is 20 yards over 16-20 games. That's barely noticeable.

JTS never really worked for any of my guys.

Thumbs WAY FREAKING UP this season