Warrior General Games

and to lose like 800 pounds

that's cold

Ryan Leif.Period.End of discussion.

Originally posted by Uno
Ryan Leif.Period.End of discussion.

already brought up
and its Leaf btdub

Was not funny the first time, still is not funny.

Originally posted by salizy13


"I hate Brady and i still think hes the best ever

Holds single season Td record
Best season since Phins
Multiple SB rings

And also look at the guys he won SB with


yeah... he won the Super Bowl w/ DOMINANT TEAMS

he didnt lead them to the SB wins (he def shouldnt have 2 SB MVP's)... his defense and special teams did... put Manning on those Patriots teams of the early 2000's and he easily wins just as many SB's

REALLY?
have you seen Mannings offensive unit??
Harrison, Wayne, Edgerrin James (When he was still there)

Brady won it with
Dillion, Brown, and Caldwell

Those are two completly different teams if you ask me

believe it or not there is another side of the ball

*oh yeah, and Peyton also had a better QB rating the year he had 49 TD's... he threw the ball 80 less times and only had 1 less TD pass and 250 less yards... all the Pats did this year was stat pad... big deal... all they were concerned about was setting records, if you dont think they were, your kidding yourself

dont forget, Peyton basically didnt throw any TD's or yards his last 3 games... if he wanted to he could have extended his numbers a lot further that year

Statistically Brady is on pace to hold all career passing records and all post season records.

Originally posted by bill2451
Originally posted by salizy13



"I hate Brady and i still think hes the best ever

Holds single season Td record
Best season since Phins
Multiple SB rings

And also look at the guys he won SB with


yeah... he won the Super Bowl w/ DOMINANT TEAMS

he didnt lead them to the SB wins (he def shouldnt have 2 SB MVP's)... his defense and special teams did... put Manning on those Patriots teams of the early 2000's and he easily wins just as many SB's



Dominant? Jesus Christ all the above average players on their team were in their 30s in every Super Bowl. They never had stars. The only two they really had were Seymour and Brady. Manning had Sanders, Harrison, Addai, Wayne, Saturday, Diem, Glenn, and Freeney.

Originally posted by Uno
Ryan Leif.Period.End of discussion.

tim couch could argue on that one

Originally posted by lletsGoEers
Originally posted by Uno

Ryan Leif.Period.End of discussion.

tim couch could argue on that one

Leif? Who's that? Ryan Leaf I know could definitely hold up a finger to couch.

after watching my Panthers last year i nominate the amazing David Carr

I agree with eers.. the mighty gloved one with the magnificent hair-do is the King.

Here's the deal. You can't rank current players in with historic players, as for most of the current players, if their careers ended now, they'd not make the lists.

By a nose over Manning, the best QB currently playing is Tom Brady.

If you haven't read, "Education of a Coach" about Bill Belichick, I would suggest it. It gives pretty great insight to Belichick and Brady. Specifically, Brady nearly didn't make the New England team the year that Bledsoe was hurt.

What kept Brady around was that no matter who it was that played with him, the people around him played well. It was inexplicable. Receivers he throws to drop less balls than when other QBs throw them balls. Linemen allow less sacks. Brady does the little things--throwing catchable balls, good footwork in the pocket--that allow for him to have success with less talented players.

Then, if you give him a cast with Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Donte Stallworth (as we saw this year), you've got historically good numbers.