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The winner of a league that is >50% CPU is slotted with the runner-ups of full leagues, the runner up is slotted with the conference runner ups of full leagues.

The winner of a league that is >75% CPU is slotted with the conference runner-ups of full leagues, the runner up is slotted with the second round losers of full leagues.

Simple enough handicap for winners of CPU leagues?

Thanks Darkus, your suggestion seems like a good compromise and an even handed way to go about it. Some teams that probably shouldn't be there will end up in pro next season, and a few teams that should maybe be in pro will wind up in a feeder league, but honestly it should only take them 1 season to win their league and the weaker teams will definitely miss the playoff cut in pro... so I don't see it taking more than 1 season to work itself out.

I'll +1 it, but only if you change the Feeder leagues to Federer leagues.

This seems like a good compromise. Still seems like the Pros should have more drop down each season though. Half the non-playoff teams get to stay whereas winning teams at the lower level must win it all to get moved up.

Originally posted by ShadowWolf
This seems like a good compromise. Still seems like the Pros should have more drop down each season though. Half the non-playoff teams get to stay whereas winning teams at the lower level must win it all to get moved up.

I like it that the feeder league's must win it all. If you figure most all the starting pro league teams are champions, and eventually only feeder champions will filter up... it means every team in the pro league will be teams that know what it takes to win a championship. The only exceptions would be the teams that aren't league winners that help start-up the pro leagues.

The feeder leagues will be competitive as well. Ultimately the teams placed there will be mostly non-CPU player squads. This leaves the CPU riddled teams for the basic tier, where the few teams per league competing to get into a feeder league will rise up easily enough in a single season.

I'm ready to see someone claim a basic tier league trophy with a roster full of only CPU players

I like this plan, even though I won't be a part of it

Originally posted by ShadowWolf
This seems like a good compromise. Still seems like the Pros should have more drop down each season though. Half the non-playoff teams get to stay whereas winning teams at the lower level must win it all to get moved up.

Yeah, the only way to remove all the non playoff teams would be to move up the first and second place from the feeder leagues. I think that cheapens the winning of the feeder leagues, which should be just as much of an event as winning the top level. It will have a fast turn around though.

The other option would be to have 16 FEEDER leagues with a 'cloud' of 8 sub leagues below it. However, that would give the same situation for anyone that ended up in the cloud. You could end up with one human team in a league full of CPU. At least this way the CPU teams are spread around amongst the 16 teams in the sub leagues making them slightly easier to play in. It also means that newcomers to pee wee are not having to cut their teeth in a league like number 5, the toughest pee wee league.

Would be a brilliant idea. Make sure Bort sees it before end of season Darkus

IT WILL NEVER WORK! Unless of course I came up up with it

My only issue is that seems like alot more total leagues and teams then thier is currently. And we cant even get the teams we have now filled.
Im guessing if the empty teams are in the lowest leagues nobody would care.

Originally posted by Booth Inc.
My only issue is that seems like alot more total leagues and teams then thier is currently. And we cant even get the teams we have now filled.
Im guessing if the empty teams are in the lowest leagues nobody would care.

Exactly. A taller thinner tower structure would ensure that teams in the top three tiers have earned their way in and would even out the competition level a bit more.

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4 leagues in tier 2 provides better competition at that level, which would mean that it is okay to move up the league and conference winners. With your proposal, there will still be no moderate learning grounds where teams can prove themsevles without a bunch of CPU teams or a bunch or teams that are still going to plow through their division. A four tier system like the one I have proposed will have a place for CPU teams, teams that are learning the ropes of Pee Wee and can still hope to move up to tier two, an elite tier two proving ground that will farm the best talent into Pro, and a super elite Pro league, while still maintaining 25 leagues.

Originally posted by Booth Inc.
My only issue is that seems like alot more total leagues and teams then thier is currently. And we cant even get the teams we have now filled.
Im guessing if the empty teams are in the lowest leagues nobody would care.

It is the exact number of leagues and teams that we have currently. In the lower level there will be some CPU teams but that adds t making the lower level easier to play in.

The mid level will be as competitive as the top level because it will have the rest of the best in them. If you add more structure then you are talking about having to work your way up from the bottom over seasons. In the 4 tier system if you start in tier 4 then you can't make it up to the top ffor 3 seasons. Which means you likely have 2 seasons of scrub games, the thing we are trying to avoid.

With a 3 tier system you will only ever have one season where you get easy games. After that you will have to always be competitive to maintain your position or climb up to the top tier. Once you are in the top tier, you will have to fight hard to stay there.

good plan. i'd like to see added that if a team doesnt make the playoffs for x number of seasons, then they need to be demoted even if they arent ever in the bottom 8. as is, you can make it to the pros as a 1 season wonder and possibly never be a playoff team again yet still manage not to be demoted.

Originally posted by Darkus Black
In the 4 tier system if you start in tier 4 then you can't make it up to the top ffor 3 seasons. Which means you likely have 2 seasons of scrub games, the thing we are trying to avoid.

This would be my issue with a taller system as well. Me and the other DoRD owners will be making a 2nd team next season. I understand we'll have to go through 2 seasons of easy games to make it to pro, and we're willing to do it because peewee-pro is a good cause; but 3 seasons would be 5 months to get to the competitive league, and that starts sounding a little excessive.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
good plan. i'd like to see added that if a team doesnt make the playoffs for x number of seasons, then they need to be demoted even if they arent ever in the bottom 8. as is, you can make it to the pros as a 1 season wonder and possibly never be a playoff team again yet still manage not to be demoted.

I can't see that happening. With 4 teams moving up, to each conference, hungry for the title it will be a highly competitive league. I think you would see a natural drop off without the need for this. Plus, if someone can hang in there season after season in 9th place then they deserve to stay there as it will mean that they are still better then the 4 new teams that moved up.