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Originally posted by Porch
Originally posted by kurieg

Originally posted by Porch


will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

It's a shame it's not a cheap exploit. It's kinda like how for the first 6 seasons people only built OTs with strength and blocking. If you build a run blocking guard, guess what happens during passing plays?

Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by Porch

Originally posted by kurieg


Originally posted by Porch



will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

It's a shame it's not a cheap exploit. It's kinda like how for the first 6 seasons people only built OTs with strength and blocking. If you build a run blocking guard, guess what happens during passing plays?

I have always had tons of speed and agility, i But this OG looks to have enough agility to play the pass better than he is

whenever I hear the argument "it looks to have enough" well...if you guys are at best a mid tier team...maybe you don't have enough.

..dont you have to actually MAKE the playoffs before you can worry about giving any sacks up during the playoffs?

Originally posted by Mad Cow
Originally posted by kurieg

Originally posted by Mad Cow


Originally posted by kurieg



Originally posted by Mad Cow




The way they beat them is, hurdling between a G and T.... I have a DE, DT and OTso im impartial, but besides the hurdling thing, its not bad

Quite certain that the LG is just failing to hold the block.

It's basically just a fast rip/swim move.

either way its not my LT's fault

It's always your fault tbh.


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Originally posted by Porch
Originally posted by kurieg

Originally posted by Porch


will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

They aren't untouched. That's the whole point. The RDE is shedding the LG block very fast. As per the new rules, this has a chance of firing off First Step/Tunnel Vision (they can fire on any Shed Block.)

These events are nothing more than 1) DE off the snap fast, probably with SAs kicking in, 2) LG loses the initial block check - more SAs fire, 3) DE is in the back field with a lot of bonus speed, agility, and first step acceleration - QB dies.

Sometimes, the LT gets there in time to fail a block check, too, which can put a little pinball action as the RDE's SAs go off a 3rd time.

Originally posted by kurieg
Originally posted by Porch

Originally posted by kurieg


Originally posted by Porch



will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

They aren't untouched. That's the whole point. The RDE is shedding the LG block very fast. As per the new rules, this has a chance of firing off First Step/Tunnel Vision (they can fire on any Shed Block.)

These events are nothing more than 1) DE off the snap fast, probably with SAs kicking in, 2) LG loses the initial block check - more SAs fire, 3) DE is in the back field with a lot of bonus speed, agility, and first step acceleration - QB dies.

Sometimes, the LT gets there in time to fail a block check, too, which can put a little pinball action as the RDE's SAs go off a 3rd time.



I think you missed the Changelog and Bort saying it was a bug and thats why they fixed it. He also added another Changelog today for the Oline.

So its not a failed block, its a confirmed bug and Bort fixed it.

Just keep trying to justify it with some magical my guy can run 3X as fast as normal and I think that makes perfect sense.

I agree that the DE vs OT battle has been badly weighted in favor of the OT's but I don't consider a cheat the correct answer for how to fix that.

the funny part is when you people find a cheat and then exploit it over and over again and then cry when the cheat gets fixed.

Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by Porch

Originally posted by kurieg


Originally posted by Porch



will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

It's a shame it's not a cheap exploit. It's kinda like how for the first 6 seasons people only built OTs with strength and blocking. If you build a run blocking guard, guess what happens during passing plays?

I can accept this answer if and when your DE is put on his ass every time by the G in a run blocking situation.

So we can agree you can get your sacks on that exploit but we can run the ball for a minimum of 5 yards every time right over your guy because I can pancake you in a run situation?

Originally posted by HurricaneBear
whenever I hear the argument "it looks to have enough" well...if you guys are at best a mid tier team...maybe you don't have enough.

The funniest part of the entire OT vs DE thing was the DE's all crying you don't have enough. Of course once Bort nerfed it and the DE's cried they didn't like the response of your build is flawed and that is why you don't sacks.

So the question is what is enough? I am not sure I would call him a run blocking monster but I am not against the answer of the he doesn't enough. I just think the play likes a cheap exploit.

Besides the O line split, I think this has been one of the better seasons of O line interaction, the better build tends to win.. But that exploit sure does fuck everything up, there is no need for 1 dude to split 2 defenders, every other play..

Originally posted by Porch
Originally posted by Voltron

Originally posted by Porch


Originally posted by kurieg



Originally posted by Porch




will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

It's a shame it's not a cheap exploit. It's kinda like how for the first 6 seasons people only built OTs with strength and blocking. If you build a run blocking guard, guess what happens during passing plays?

I can accept this answer if and when your DE is put on his ass every time by the G in a run blocking situation.

So we can agree you can get your sacks on that exploit but we can run the ball for a minimum of 5 yards every time right over your guy because I can pancake you in a run situation?

Rawr Rawr is an elite dot put in a position to be even better by his team. So how do you stop this? Build a player to stop him, or game plan to stop him(or both)

Pirates seemed to handle Rawr Rawr just fine, now didn't they? So maybe it's less of an exploit and more of a your team IS NOT AS GOOD. If it was some bum DE blazing by you that would be one thing, but no one with any sense is going to say Rawr Rawr really does suck.

Originally posted by MD
Originally posted by kurieg

Originally posted by Porch


Originally posted by kurieg



Originally posted by Porch




will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

They aren't untouched. That's the whole point. The RDE is shedding the LG block very fast. As per the new rules, this has a chance of firing off First Step/Tunnel Vision (they can fire on any Shed Block.)

These events are nothing more than 1) DE off the snap fast, probably with SAs kicking in, 2) LG loses the initial block check - more SAs fire, 3) DE is in the back field with a lot of bonus speed, agility, and first step acceleration - QB dies.

Sometimes, the LT gets there in time to fail a block check, too, which can put a little pinball action as the RDE's SAs go off a 3rd time.



I think you missed the Changelog and Bort saying it was a bug and thats why they fixed it. He also added another Changelog today for the Oline.

So its not a failed block, its a confirmed bug and Bort fixed it.

Don't think this Changelog is going to do what you think it's going to do. This changelog had a lot more to do with G's just flat out ignoring things like blitzing safeties.

It was quite possible to do a 3-down linemen pass rush such that the G's have NOTHING to do, and a safety blitzing will just run around them with no interaction.

For this supposed "gap" exploit, it's quite clear that O-linemen can get a hand on the DE every time. Some teams do it.

Originally posted by Porch
Originally posted by Voltron

Originally posted by Porch


Originally posted by kurieg



Originally posted by Porch




will this include people who actually beat the guard using some cheap exploit?

You don't get the ridiculousness of saying a pass rusher beating an offensive linemen is an exploit, do you?



You don't get the ridiculousness of a guy just running between two people untouched play after play do you.

Hey I get that some people feel the need to use a cheap exploit and then try to justify their actions. More power to you.

It's a shame it's not a cheap exploit. It's kinda like how for the first 6 seasons people only built OTs with strength and blocking. If you build a run blocking guard, guess what happens during passing plays?

I can accept this answer if and when your DE is put on his ass every time by the G in a run blocking situation.

So we can agree you can get your sacks on that exploit but we can run the ball for a minimum of 5 yards every time right over your guy because I can pancake you in a run situation?

Tbh, my DE has been playing LDE all season and has lined up mainly against the ROT. So can we agree your offensive line sucks?

Originally posted by Porch
Originally posted by HurricaneBear

whenever I hear the argument "it looks to have enough" well...if you guys are at best a mid tier team...maybe you don't have enough.

The funniest part of the entire OT vs DE thing was the DE's all crying you don't have enough. Of course once Bort nerfed it and the DE's cried they didn't like the response of your build is flawed and that is why you don't sacks.

So the question is what is enough? I am not sure I would call him a run blocking monster but I am not against the answer of the he doesn't enough. I just think the play likes a cheap exploit.

the problem with oline vs dline is most players who build offensive linemen are the least dedicated agents(100 flex calls to them) or just people who don't understand football. How many times do you see "oline are fat" No, they are not. Many times offensive lineman are the most athletic on a football team. I don't remember which forum, but I remember arguing with someone who said 68 agility is plenty for a olineman. I told him he was crazy and that was the root of his problem.
Could it just be an exploit? Sure. I don't know your guards build so maybe he is well built. But most of the time in these situations it's a shitty build vs an elite player.

Judging by your record I wouldn't think you have alot of elite players, although maybe it's just your gameplanning?