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Havo
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I don't see any benefit to a super high speed WR. Anything over 110 isn't really worth it, because it takes a bit to get up to that speed. The higher the agility the quicker top speed is reached, but it still takes time. The only way it's effective is if your QB can throw an accurate Deep Ball. Which right now the Sim sux at that. The QB has to be on the money or the WR would have to stop and wait, killing his advantage, then he gets hammered by the DBs who've caught up. Plus the QB has to have time to deliver it deep, I don't think you ever gonna see the Sim consistently have a QB take a 2 step drop and throw an accurate deep ball, hitting a 110+ speed WR in stride.
Everyone has this vision in their head of a WR blazing down the field and outrunning everyone, and the QB throwing the ball over the top and getting as easy score. It doesn't happen that much in real football and it's not gonna happen that much on GLB. It's already been pretty much proven that a CB with 95 speed and 70ish agility with 8+ in SDC can keep up with ANY Wr in GLB.
 
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Originally posted by havolineman
I don't see any benefit to a super high speed WR. Anything over 110 isn't really worth it, because it takes a bit to get up to that speed. The higher the agility the quicker top speed is reached, but it still takes time. The only way it's effective is if your QB can throw an accurate Deep Ball. Which right now the Sim sux at that. The QB has to be on the money or the WR would have to stop and wait, killing his advantage, then he gets hammered by the DBs who've caught up. Plus the QB has to have time to deliver it deep, I don't think you ever gonna see the Sim consistently have a QB take a 2 step drop and throw an accurate deep ball, hitting a 110+ speed WR in stride.
Everyone has this vision in their head of a WR blazing down the field and outrunning everyone, and the QB throwing the ball over the top and getting as easy score. It doesn't happen that much in real football and it's not gonna happen that much on GLB. It's already been pretty much proven that a CB with 95 speed and 70ish agility with 8+ in SDC can keep up with ANY Wr in GLB.

*groan*

Any WR?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=608572&pbp_id=11422259

I've probably got 50 of these in the past 3 seasons.

The problem is inconsistency in WR speed when they have the same attributes. My WR eats 95 speed CB's for breakfast (CB's who outlevel him by 8-10 levels) and I'm getting weary of hearing how impossible it is.

My WR isn't even THAT fast. (115)

Edited by The_Jonas on Jul 14, 2009 17:02:06
 
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Originally posted by The_Jonas
Originally posted by havolineman

I don't see any benefit to a super high speed WR. Anything over 110 isn't really worth it, because it takes a bit to get up to that speed. The higher the agility the quicker top speed is reached, but it still takes time. The only way it's effective is if your QB can throw an accurate Deep Ball. Which right now the Sim sux at that. The QB has to be on the money or the WR would have to stop and wait, killing his advantage, then he gets hammered by the DBs who've caught up. Plus the QB has to have time to deliver it deep, I don't think you ever gonna see the Sim consistently have a QB take a 2 step drop and throw an accurate deep ball, hitting a 110+ speed WR in stride.
Everyone has this vision in their head of a WR blazing down the field and outrunning everyone, and the QB throwing the ball over the top and getting as easy score. It doesn't happen that much in real football and it's not gonna happen that much on GLB. It's already been pretty much proven that a CB with 95 speed and 70ish agility with 8+ in SDC can keep up with ANY Wr in GLB.

*groan*

Any WR?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=608572&pbp_id=11422259

I've probably got 50 of these in the past 3 seasons.

The problem is inconsistency in WR speed when they have the same attributes. My WR eats 95 speed CB's for breakfast (CB's who outlevel him by 8-10 levels) and I'm getting weary of hearing how impossible it is.

My WR isn't even THAT fast. (115)



If your getting weary, that means you've heard it alot. Because apparently your WR is the exception and not the norm. I'd still like to see the CBs build compared to your WRs build. Of course that's not gonna happen. You say about 50, I'll take your word on that. But this is the kind of stuff that makes this game BS. One WR can do it, but 10 others with almost the same exact builds won't be able too. And of course the guy who's got the one who can, thinks the rest are inept at building are just whinning. This is the stuff that gives all the "X FActor" theories legs. I'm glad you got a stud WR who dominates, but I"d bet there's a ton of WRs with builds almost identical to your guys who don't. If you seriously think you've got something figured out with WRs pm me and I"ll give you a challenge, one that no one has been able to pass.
 
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Originally posted by havolineman
Originally posted by The_Jonas

Originally posted by havolineman


I don't see any benefit to a super high speed WR. Anything over 110 isn't really worth it, because it takes a bit to get up to that speed. The higher the agility the quicker top speed is reached, but it still takes time. The only way it's effective is if your QB can throw an accurate Deep Ball. Which right now the Sim sux at that. The QB has to be on the money or the WR would have to stop and wait, killing his advantage, then he gets hammered by the DBs who've caught up. Plus the QB has to have time to deliver it deep, I don't think you ever gonna see the Sim consistently have a QB take a 2 step drop and throw an accurate deep ball, hitting a 110+ speed WR in stride.
Everyone has this vision in their head of a WR blazing down the field and outrunning everyone, and the QB throwing the ball over the top and getting as easy score. It doesn't happen that much in real football and it's not gonna happen that much on GLB. It's already been pretty much proven that a CB with 95 speed and 70ish agility with 8+ in SDC can keep up with ANY Wr in GLB.

*groan*

Any WR?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=608572&pbp_id=11422259

I've probably got 50 of these in the past 3 seasons.

The problem is inconsistency in WR speed when they have the same attributes. My WR eats 95 speed CB's for breakfast (CB's who outlevel him by 8-10 levels) and I'm getting weary of hearing how impossible it is.

My WR isn't even THAT fast. (115)



If your getting weary, that means you've heard it alot. Because apparently your WR is the exception and not the norm. I'd still like to see the CBs build compared to your WRs build. Of course that's not gonna happen. You say about 50, I'll take your word on that. But this is the kind of stuff that makes this game BS. One WR can do it, but 10 others with almost the same exact builds won't be able too. And of course the guy who's got the one who can, thinks the rest are inept at building are just whinning. This is the stuff that gives all the "X FActor" theories legs. I'm glad you got a stud WR who dominates, but I"d bet there's a ton of WRs with builds almost identical to your guys who don't. If you seriously think you've got something figured out with WRs pm me and I"ll give you a challenge, one that no one has been able to pass.


Nononononono. You misunderstand. I don't think other WR builders are inept. There is clearly an invisible (or at least unnoticed) factor that plays into his success. I have no question because I've SEEN Wr's with almost identical builds who struggle mightily in inferior leagues. I believe a LOT of WR's are totally fucked from the get go and IMO it's total bullshit. I've in fact tried and tried to use things that I formerly thought were 'secrets' and when other similar WR's used them they didn't get results.

What I'm saying is that it's not impossible for WR's to run past CB's, and that allegations of such are flat out incorrect and my WR is in fact evidence to this. There needs to be more consistency.

One of the biggest aspects of Hardy's success is the fact that he plays with a great QB who can hit him in stride. He rarely slows down to catch passes. A OC who knows what routes to utilize Speed WR's (fade/corner routes work better than streaks). There are obvious factors but still a factor I have not figured out.

I just get tired of people saying the entire WR/CB aspect is fucked, when the problem is not about WR's and CB's but about WR's and other WR's and the inconsistencies between them.

Sorry if I sounded douchy, but I don't want CB's nerfed. I have 3 of them and my WR doesn't need an advantage over CB's.

I do think WR's need looked at because it's bullshit that guys with the exact same build can post 300 yards a season while my guy pounds out 25 TD's a year.
 
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Originally posted by The_Jonas


Nononononono. You misunderstand. I don't think other WR builders are inept. There is clearly an invisible (or at least unnoticed) factor that plays into his success. I have no question because I've SEEN Wr's with almost identical builds who struggle mightily in inferior leagues. I believe a LOT of WR's are totally fucked from the get go and IMO it's total bullshit. I've in fact tried and tried to use things that I formerly thought were 'secrets' and when other similar WR's used them they didn't get results.

What I'm saying is that it's not impossible for WR's to run past CB's, and that allegations of such are flat out incorrect and my WR is in fact evidence to this. There needs to be more consistency.

One of the biggest aspects of Hardy's success is the fact that he plays with a great QB who can hit him in stride. He rarely slows down to catch passes. A OC who knows what routes to utilize Speed WR's (fade/corner routes work better than streaks). There are obvious factors but still a factor I have not figured out.

I just get tired of people saying the entire WR/CB aspect is fucked, when the problem is not about WR's and CB's but about WR's and other WR's and the inconsistencies between them.

Sorry if I sounded douchy, but I don't want CB's nerfed. I have 3 of them and my WR doesn't need an advantage over CB's.

I do think WR's need looked at because it's bullshit that guys with the exact same build can post 300 yards a season while my guy pounds out 25 TD's a year.


OK, you made your point, I agree it can be done. In fact I expected a flood of links to plays where it happened. My point was it being consistently done.

I don't see a need to push speed past 110. I don't think most guys will get the results they expect from it. Because most guys don't even get the results they expect for WRs period.

I've seen it too many times, if there's not a hidden X Factor I'll be amazed. Building WRs can be very frustrating, even when you do all the So Called things right, it's still a crapshoot. That's the BS part, and at 300 flex pt.s per boost, it's ridiculous.
I've OC'd multilple teams, and been able to compare WRs directly in the same situations and the same plays. There's no consistency to performance. I've seen WRs with the same builds where one will be well above average and the other just sux.
 
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To push speed past 110 would require agility of 80ish to get the best out of your speed, and to get both spd/agl so high requires completely sacrificing other important stats.
 
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Speed WR's suck.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=587629&pbp_id=5074903
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=587630&pbp_id=6042530
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=587722&pbp_id=3158631

Sarcasm aside, building a speed WR can be done but you have to make the best out of the limited points you're spending on other stats.
 
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Originally posted by B-Sexay
To push speed past 110 would require agility of 80ish to get the best out of your speed, and to get both spd/agl so high requires completely sacrificing other important stats.


I don't agree with this.

Quick cut compensates for agility, and agility's impact on acceleration is over-rated.

IMO of course, because 115 speed and 70 agility works awesome for me.

I think taking agility much higher with that high end speed sacrifices too many important attributes.

 
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=644171&pbp_id=12926022

the down fall to pure speed and agility guy

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=644155&pbp_id=9389954

the bonus to having a pure speed agility guy

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1188039

not a single point has gone to anything except speed and agility and equipment isn't fully upgraded needs lvl 32's
Edited by cantero packers on Jul 15, 2009 16:26:11
 
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Originally posted by The_Jonas
Originally posted by B-Sexay

To push speed past 110 would require agility of 80ish to get the best out of your speed, and to get both spd/agl so high requires completely sacrificing other important stats.


I don't agree with this.

Quick cut compensates for agility, and agility's impact on acceleration is over-rated.

IMO of course, because 115 speed and 70 agility works awesome for me.

I think taking agility much higher with that high end speed sacrifices too many important attributes.



well your WR is nice lol
 
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Originally posted by The_Jonas
Originally posted by B-Sexay

To push speed past 110 would require agility of 80ish to get the best out of your speed, and to get both spd/agl so high requires completely sacrificing other important stats.


I don't agree with this.

Quick cut compensates for agility, and agility's impact on acceleration is over-rated.

IMO of course, because 115 speed and 70 agility works awesome for me.

I think taking agility much higher with that high end speed sacrifices too many important attributes.



Your opinion has been disqualified, because you have an X factor WR. lol.
 
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there definitely is an X factor..... tell your friends!
 
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Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by Ilok

I'm starting to think there is no benefit it the pure speed WRs, with all the boost DBs get with Shutdown Coverage, Closing speed, and Ball Hawk. I'm no where close to that with my WR, 71 base speed 102 full speed (non-slow built) but I'm part of teams who have WRs in the 110-120 speed range and you get around the same production from them. In AA and up, I don't really see any WR just blow past anyone anymore.


That's true, which is why I'm thinking that what if there's a massive gap between the CB and WR's speed. With the added benefit of creative route running a WR might just be able to blow past a CB.


Creative Route Running actually slows you down.
 
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Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by Viscount

Originally posted by Ilok


I'm starting to think there is no benefit it the pure speed WRs, with all the boost DBs get with Shutdown Coverage, Closing speed, and Ball Hawk. I'm no where close to that with my WR, 71 base speed 102 full speed (non-slow built) but I'm part of teams who have WRs in the 110-120 speed range and you get around the same production from them. In AA and up, I don't really see any WR just blow past anyone anymore.


That's true, which is why I'm thinking that what if there's a massive gap between the CB and WR's speed. With the added benefit of creative route running a WR might just be able to blow past a CB.


Creative Route Running actually slows you down.

It slows the CB down more with the right attributes.
 
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and actually alot of the time ur guy does so much moves and such that he just lets the CB catch up or stay with u
 
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