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So you want to nerf USA Pro?



Here was my solution in the other topic:
Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by Krunchy

Originally posted by PaqMarq11


world league diminishes the luster of pro leagues. which shouldn't be the target of the world league. a world cup should be enhancing the pro leagues.



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Like I said, we have a great PWT set up already. One solution is Bort can get more involved with this by maybe working with the Top Pro Teams forum and automatically scheduling the PWT games along with maybe adding a little tournament section to the team's profile page with the games listed. This would also help with all those "it was a test scrimmage vs it was a real scrim" arguments that always pop up.

I like the idea of a world league. I think it'll be good for everyone involved. Only pussies worry about how the relegation would be handled... ONLY PUSSIES.

Originally posted by Drago
I like the idea of a world league. I think it'll be good for everyone involved. Only pussies worry about how the relegation would be handled... ONLY PUSSIES.

Yeah but the way some people want it is 4 teams go up from each league, and the worst of those gets demoted for the champion.

That means a 12-4 USA Pro team would probably get demoted along with some 2-14 OPL and SEAPL teams.

My suggestion is at S10+ (maybe S12..but lets just use S10 in the suggestion) players either RETIRE or get drafted to GLB ALL-PRO.

The ALL-PRO league is to SEE who are the best players and game planners. All players would be stripped of equipment (teams would decide who gets what).

-Only 32 owners/teams in GLB All-Pro

-Owners/Teams must DRAFT players (NO FREE AGENCY) ala NFL.

-Agents indicate on player by end of S10 either to RETIRE player or apply for GLB ALL-PRO draft (this is defaulted to RETIRE)

-Owners/Teams draft players in a serpentine draft

-The 32 owners are selected based on certain qualifications (# of Championships, etc...)

-Players drafted must accept at least a 3 Season contract.

-Players would never get any better and would maintain abilities/skills for 7 seasons....then would lose abilities/skills at a 10% rate per Season

-Every year owners would draft more players (1st draft = S1 players....2nd draft = S2 players...etc...)

-Teams can trade players and DRAFT Picks....But trade will be POSTED for 24 hours. If any team makes a BETTER OFFER...then that trade must be accepted. This is to stop teams from creating an alliance and trading all picks / players to 1 team. May need a Trade Committe to review trades to eliminate BS. Any owners found committing BS get 1 warninbg...then next offense lose team to next on waiting list.

Instead of going ON & ON....basically treat current GLB like COLLEGE. And ALL-PRO GLB (only players S10+) like the NFL.

I think it would be really cool to see all the great owners in GLB going HEAD TO HEAD on a LEVEL playing field!!!

Originally posted by RUN HARD
My suggestion is at S10+ (maybe S12..but lets just use S10 in the suggestion) players either RETIRE or get drafted to GLB ALL-PRO.

The ALL-PRO league is to SEE who are the best players and game planners. All players would be stripped of equipment (teams would decide who gets what).

-Only 32 owners/teams in GLB All-Pro

-Owners/Teams must DRAFT players (NO FREE AGENCY) ala NFL.

-Agents indicate on player by end of S10 either to RETIRE player or apply for GLB ALL-PRO draft (this is defaulted to RETIRE)

-Owners/Teams draft players in a serpentine draft

-The 32 owners are selected based on certain qualifications (# of Championships, etc...)

-Players drafted must accept at least a 3 Season contract.

-Players would never get any better and would maintain abilities/skills for 7 seasons....then would lose abilities/skills at a 10% rate per Season

-Every year owners would draft more players (1st draft = S1 players....2nd draft = S2 players...etc...)

-Teams can trade players and DRAFT Picks....But trade will be POSTED for 24 hours. If any team makes a BETTER OFFER...then that trade must be accepted. This is to stop teams from creating an alliance and trading all picks / players to 1 team. May need a Trade Committe to review trades to eliminate BS. Any owners found committing BS get 1 warninbg...then next offense lose team to next on waiting list.

Instead of going ON & ON....basically treat current GLB like COLLEGE. And ALL-PRO GLB (only players S10+) like the NFL.

I think it would be really cool to see all the great owners in GLB going HEAD TO HEAD on a LEVEL playing field!!!





This seems good for FF leagues, bad for GLB -- too many egos and attitudes. People would not want to play for/with other people and would just lead to clashes and all-out interwebz fights imo

Originally posted by CTap
Originally posted by RUN HARD

My suggestion is at S10+ (maybe S12..but lets just use S10 in the suggestion) players either RETIRE or get drafted to GLB ALL-PRO.

The ALL-PRO league is to SEE who are the best players and game planners. All players would be stripped of equipment (teams would decide who gets what).

-Only 32 owners/teams in GLB All-Pro

-Owners/Teams must DRAFT players (NO FREE AGENCY) ala NFL.

-Agents indicate on player by end of S10 either to RETIRE player or apply for GLB ALL-PRO draft (this is defaulted to RETIRE)

-Owners/Teams draft players in a serpentine draft

-The 32 owners are selected based on certain qualifications (# of Championships, etc...)

-Players drafted must accept at least a 3 Season contract.

-Players would never get any better and would maintain abilities/skills for 7 seasons....then would lose abilities/skills at a 10% rate per Season

-Every year owners would draft more players (1st draft = S1 players....2nd draft = S2 players...etc...)

-Teams can trade players and DRAFT Picks....But trade will be POSTED for 24 hours. If any team makes a BETTER OFFER...then that trade must be accepted. This is to stop teams from creating an alliance and trading all picks / players to 1 team. May need a Trade Committe to review trades to eliminate BS. Any owners found committing BS get 1 warninbg...then next offense lose team to next on waiting list.

Instead of going ON & ON....basically treat current GLB like COLLEGE. And ALL-PRO GLB (only players S10+) like the NFL.

I think it would be really cool to see all the great owners in GLB going HEAD TO HEAD on a LEVEL playing field!!!





This seems good for FF leagues, bad for GLB -- too many egos and attitudes. People would not want to play for/with other people and would just lead to clashes and all-out interwebz fights imo


Sounds just like the NFL. When you draft a player...you are drafting an AGENT...better talk to that agent 1st.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by Drago

I like the idea of a world league. I think it'll be good for everyone involved. Only pussies worry about how the relegation would be handled... ONLY PUSSIES.

Yeah but the way some people want it is 4 teams go up from each league, and the worst of those gets demoted for the champion.

That means a 12-4 USA Pro team would probably get demoted along with some 2-14 OPL and SEAPL teams.

Maybe the World League should be looked at like this:

You get one year in it, then you are replaced/relegated regardless of how good you did/won, you're replaced with someone new from your previous league.

1 year shot, then back to your pro league, repeat.

We discussed this in one of our private forums and I'm not sure a World Pro League would be tougher than playing in USA Pro. Sure, you'll get the Santiagos and Drygerians and Krazy Monkeys once a season, but I'm not sure the #8 team in World League East/West would be that much better than #8 in USA Pro East/West.

The promotion/relegation process would be nuts too. If you have say an EE and SE Asia team get relegated, you almost have to bring another EE or SEA team up which would be like leading lambs to the slaughter. I guess if one of the relegated teams wants to swap leagues they could accomplish it upon demotion (or spam support a bunch, but that's already been beaten into the ground ), but I really see the relegation system being a total nightmare.

Originally posted by Drago
Maybe the World League should be looked at like this:

You get one year in it, then you are replaced/relegated regardless of how good you did/won, you're replaced with someone new from your previous league.

1 year shot, then back to your pro league, repeat.

I kinda like this. Sucks that you wouldn't have repeat champs, but that's a minor thing.

The timing kinda sucks for this too. I bet 3/4 of the current Pro players will retire in the next 2-3 seasons.

Originally posted by RUN HARD
My suggestion is at S10+ (maybe S12..but lets just use S10 in the suggestion) players either RETIRE or get drafted to GLB ALL-PRO.

The ALL-PRO league is to SEE who are the best players and game planners. All players would be stripped of equipment (teams would decide who gets what).

-Only 32 owners/teams in GLB All-Pro

-Owners/Teams must DRAFT players (NO FREE AGENCY) ala NFL.

-Agents indicate on player by end of S10 either to RETIRE player or apply for GLB ALL-PRO draft (this is defaulted to RETIRE)

-Owners/Teams draft players in a serpentine draft

-The 32 owners are selected based on certain qualifications (# of Championships, etc...)

-Players drafted must accept at least a 3 Season contract.

-Players would never get any better and would maintain abilities/skills for 7 seasons....then would lose abilities/skills at a 10% rate per Season

-Every year owners would draft more players (1st draft = S1 players....2nd draft = S2 players...etc...)

-Teams can trade players and DRAFT Picks....But trade will be POSTED for 24 hours. If any team makes a BETTER OFFER...then that trade must be accepted. This is to stop teams from creating an alliance and trading all picks / players to 1 team. May need a Trade Committe to review trades to eliminate BS. Any owners found committing BS get 1 warninbg...then next offense lose team to next on waiting list.

Instead of going ON & ON....basically treat current GLB like COLLEGE. And ALL-PRO GLB (only players S10+) like the NFL.

I think it would be really cool to see all the great owners in GLB going HEAD TO HEAD on a LEVEL playing field!!!






Way too many egos around here, but I like this idea. I'd be down.

Originally posted by joemiken


The promotion/relegation process would be nuts too. If you have say an EE and SE Asia team get relegated, you almost have to bring another EE or SEA team up which would be like leading lambs to the slaughter. I guess if one of the relegated teams wants to swap leagues they could accomplish it upon demotion (or spam support a bunch, but that's already been beaten into the ground ), but I really see the relegation system being a total nightmare.


I posted a pretty clean solution to this earlier in this thread.

I think this has the chance to be both good and bad..It gives those in the top leagues something more to look forward to other than just the Championship.

It could be wierd for relegation as they said.. Because you would think if someone was being relegated down..from the World league they would go back to their original Pro League.. But if 2 are sent down normally, and 2 sent up..then how would they work out sending someone back down to Pro without a place to put them? I just see some possibly getting angry when they may possibly be demoted because they had the 3rd worst record in their conference when they thought they were safe.

It could also lead to some teams..quite possibly breaking up maybe.. I am not saying the teams who will quite possibly be in the world league arent good teams..But we have seen all to often that when a team hits a rough patch..they begin to slowly crumble until one morning you wake up and they only have 1 WR and a bunch of CPU's. Some teams will quickly become exposed and shown they arent as good as they not only believed they are but others believe they are as well...

WSI is a very good example..I still believe they are a very good team..and some have said it..but not everyone thought this season would have turned out so far the way it has for them..

The world league will be a perfect example of someone being an All-star in the D-league and finally make it to the NBA and barely score 5 points a game.

World League will be easier to win than USA Pro.

If we could have a post-season playoff to determine the World League teams, it might work.

Start with the playoff teams of each league (16 * 8 teams = 128 teams). Rank them based on how they do in the playoffs and the regular season similar to how promotion is done now. Seed teams based on that and their region (region neutral).

Something like this:

#1 USA
vs.
#16 SA

#8 SEA
vs.
#9 CPL

Winners play each other and make it to WPL

#4 Canada
vs.
#13 Western Europe

#5 Eastern Europe
vs.
#12 Africa

Winners play each other and make it to WPL

#2 SA
vs.
#15 USA

#7 SEA
vs.
#9 CPL

Winners play each other and make it to WPL

#3 Western Europe
vs.
#14 Canada

#6 Africa
vs. #11Estern Europe

Winners play each other and make it to WPL

etc... Then swap the regions and repeat that a few more times. It takes 2 games max per team and we get down to 32 teams. Not sure how feasible this is (how does champions league tournament work?)

If the #16 USA team can beat the #1 team in another region (and another game), they would make the World League. It would be completely based on field results.

The trick is relegation, of course. There are a few ways to handle this. The best solution is to relegate back to the region they came from. There may not be room for them, though. We could either require an additional team get relegated down to AAA to make room if that's the case (and possibly from AAA to AA). Another option is if there isn't room, a AAA team gets screwed that season (give them the option to move to the region that is putting more teams in?). Another option is to let teams select "don't send me to World Pro League", then they never get moved out of their precious region.

But its silly to propose those solutions. Bort will chose the simplest to implement and will try to appease everyone at the same time, which will make it suck for everyone. I have no doubt about that.

Sorry if this is posted but I think that this can work if done right.

4 teams this season X 8 leagues.

After each season the bottom of the 2 teams from each conference gets relegated back to their region, the top team stays and the pro champ/runner up's advance.

Obviously this means that the 2nd place team could get relegated but that is much better than the alternative and will offer more parity as 16 new teams each season will be promoted.

Originally posted by RUN HARD



Sounds just like the NFL. When you draft a player...you are drafting an AGENT...better talk to that agent 1st.


Easier said that done.... between logistical nightmares of not being able to get in touch with the agent or not having him respond and the fact that honestly most of the owners just wouldn't even bother to try and talk to the agent, I just don't see that playing very well.

Also, if agent buy-in were a requirement, then you get the MLB draft situation where players can essentially force which team they will go to... and you get potential collusion/team stacking.

Plenty of agents would just be like "If you draft me, I will F up my Tactics to screw you. Sorry, I only want to play for [insert team name]." I just don't see any way this wouldn't dissolve into a huge clustermess... and that is before owners go inactive, teams gut, etc.