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My elusive HB has 9 points in FS and on certain plays I notice a tremendous difference in speed right after he receives the hand off, i.e. the activation of the SA.

u don't like carryong or vision?
and too many sa's

Originally posted by pette34
u don't like carryong or vision?
and too many sa's

I said I'm still working on carrying and vision and I don't have to many SAs even though theres never too many SAs for a elusive.

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
first step definitely makes a big difference in acceleration after getting the handoff.
Originally posted by Project Janus
My elusive HB has 9 points in FS and on certain plays I notice a tremendous difference in speed right after he receives the hand off, i.e. the activation of the SA.

Both of these posts are completely false.

Bort has said that First Step only ever activates when a player is moving at less than 1.2 units per tick. By the time HB gets the ball he is already moving faster than that so First Step DOES NOT get a chance to activate.

Originally posted by Bort
First step has only ever activated when starting from a near stop, so either when you're starting moving for the first time, or when you've gotten slowed down to the point where you're near stopped. (It can only activate when you've got < 1.5 acceleration "units" of velocity, no matter where you are on the field.)

It's always been far less useful for RB's than WR's for instance, because of that fact. The RB is usually up to speed when he hits the hole, so first step wouldn't even have a chance to do anything.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1472154&page=2

Viscount with the legwork i wouldn't do...

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by Darren McFadden

first step definitely makes a big difference in acceleration after getting the handoff.
Originally posted by Project Janus

My elusive HB has 9 points in FS and on certain plays I notice a tremendous difference in speed right after he receives the hand off, i.e. the activation of the SA.

Both of these posts are completely false.

Bort has said that First Step only ever activates when a player is moving at less than 1.2 units per tick. By the time HB gets the ball he is already moving faster than that so First Step DOES NOT get a chance to activate.

Originally posted by Bort

First step has only ever activated when starting from a near stop, so either when you're starting moving for the first time, or when you've gotten slowed down to the point where you're near stopped. (It can only activate when you've got < 1.5 acceleration "units" of velocity, no matter where you are on the field.)

It's always been far less useful for RB's than WR's for instance, because of that fact. The RB is usually up to speed when he hits the hole, so first step wouldn't even have a chance to do anything.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1472154&page=2

Thanks

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by Darren McFadden

first step definitely makes a big difference in acceleration after getting the handoff.
Originally posted by Project Janus

My elusive HB has 9 points in FS and on certain plays I notice a tremendous difference in speed right after he receives the hand off, i.e. the activation of the SA.

Both of these posts are completely false.

Bort has said that First Step only ever activates when a player is moving at less than 1.2 units per tick. By the time HB gets the ball he is already moving faster than that so First Step DOES NOT get a chance to activate.

Originally posted by Bort

First step has only ever activated when starting from a near stop, so either when you're starting moving for the first time, or when you've gotten slowed down to the point where you're near stopped. (It can only activate when you've got < 1.5 acceleration "units" of velocity, no matter where you are on the field.)

It's always been far less useful for RB's than WR's for instance, because of that fact. The RB is usually up to speed when he hits the hole, so first step wouldn't even have a chance to do anything.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1472154&page=2

It has since been updated by Bort to work for fast backs this season.

Originally posted by Meatdawg
Originally posted by Viscount

Originally posted by Bort


First step has only ever activated when starting from a near stop, so either when you're starting moving for the first time, or when you've gotten slowed down to the point where you're near stopped. (It can only activate when you've got < 1.5 acceleration "units" of velocity, no matter where you are on the field.)

It's always been far less useful for RB's than WR's for instance, because of that fact. The RB is usually up to speed when he hits the hole, so first step wouldn't even have a chance to do anything.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1472154&page=2

It has since been updated by Bort to work for fast backs this season.

The update makes no difference for HBs

Originally posted by Changelog
- First Step has been updated to not only improve acceleration as it normally does, but it actually increases max velocity briefly when it goes off. This allows those with very high agility to still see some benefit from the skill.

Please refer to the bolded parts. If First Step does not get a chance to activate the "update" hasn't really changed anything for HBs.

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by Meatdawg

Originally posted by Viscount


Originally posted by Bort



First step has only ever activated when starting from a near stop, so either when you're starting moving for the first time, or when you've gotten slowed down to the point where you're near stopped. (It can only activate when you've got < 1.5 acceleration "units" of velocity, no matter where you are on the field.)

It's always been far less useful for RB's than WR's for instance, because of that fact. The RB is usually up to speed when he hits the hole, so first step wouldn't even have a chance to do anything.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1472154&page=2

It has since been updated by Bort to work for fast backs this season.

The update makes no difference for HBs

Originally posted by Changelog

- First Step has been updated to not only improve acceleration as it normally does, but it actually increases max velocity briefly when it goes off. This allows those with very high agility to still see some benefit from the skill.

Please refer to the bolded parts. If First Step does not get a chance to activate the "update" hasn't really changed anything for HBs.

I thought it gave a boost to max speed.

This is another gray area I would love to hear from on Bort.

So what do you consider the "Mendoza line" to be for a hb. How much speed and agl do you need to not have any benefit from FS?

If your back is on SE it will work. Because HBs on SE tend to get to the "near stop" then cut out of the stop.

FS works in that specific instance. So, if you have that Super Elusive Hesitation, it can help you to blast past defenders closing in on you.

It will look like a very LONG quick cut.

I imagine it'd still be useful for the very beginning of the play, in getting you up to speed and to the hand-off faster... just cause it might only activates at the beginning of the play for most HBs doesn't mean it isn't useful to have it activate at the beginning of the play.

I've considered it for my power HB. Not only could it help with getting the hand-off quicker but it might help for when a broken tackle takes him to a near stop. That said I'm not going to bother because I need to focus on being a pure power back, but it still might be worth getting it to 4 instead of 2 more agility or something.

You won't get to the hand off quicker or move quicker on a toss, as an HBs speed is limited until he gets the ball. According to Bort, the thing that will have the greatest affect on hand off speed is the QB's speed and agility somewhat in relation to the HB's speed and agility.

An HBs speed and agility is limited until he gets the ball to partly prevent plays that occassionally use to happen (season 5) like my HB here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=194689&pbp_id=3962962

Originally posted by Viscount
You won't get to the hand off quicker or move quicker on a toss, as an HBs speed is limited until he gets the ball. According to Bort, the thing that will have the greatest affect on hand off speed is the QB's speed and agility somewhat in relation to the HB's speed and agility.

An HBs speed and agility is limited until he gets the ball to partly prevent plays that occassionally use to happen (season 5) like my HB here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=194689&pbp_id=3962962

I've always been interested in that HBs build. What is it like compared to mine?

Originally posted by Viscount
You won't get to the hand off quicker or move quicker on a toss, as an HBs speed is limited until he gets the ball. According to Bort, the thing that will have the greatest affect on hand off speed is the QB's speed and agility somewhat in relation to the HB's speed and agility.

An HBs speed and agility is limited until he gets the ball to partly prevent plays that occassionally use to happen (season 5) like my HB here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=194689&pbp_id=3962962

That sucks. Good to know.

Originally posted by Meatdawg
I thought it gave a boost to max speed.

Yeah, but this max speed boost is still during his "first step" only.