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It's just so annoying when Bort SAID that high vision is needed but then you find that actually 'NO, too much vision is bad'. I'm tempted to build as it 'should' be- i.e high agility and vision and hope that by the time the build should be coming to its 'good point' that Bort will have got his finger out and fixed vision

Originally posted by Steeler2206
It's just so annoying when Bort SAID that high vision is needed but then you find that actually 'NO, too much vision is bad'. I'm tempted to build as it 'should' be- i.e high agility and vision and hope that by the time the build should be coming to its 'good point' that Bort will have got his finger out and fixed vision

I doubt he will at this point. The pathing code just isn't all that great and it may be out of his ability to fix it.

Low vision (48 max), high agility (80-90), high carrying (68), high HF/QC/Juke (at least 11), moderate speed (68-74). EQ in Agility/Carrying.

If you're building a Super Elusive back, you're not trying to build a back that is going to turn the corner and outrun everyone. You're building a back that is going to juke/fake the crap out of everyone and frequently get run down from behind. Think Barry Sanders.

Originally posted by taz20075
Low vision (48 max), high agility (80-90), high carrying (68), high HF/QC/Juke (at least 11), moderate speed (68-74). EQ in Agility/Carrying.

If you're building a Super Elusive back, you're not trying to build a back that is going to turn the corner and outrun everyone. You're building a back that is going to juke/fake the crap out of everyone and frequently get run down from behind. Think Barry Sanders.

barry sanders had break away speed. the back you are describing has jerome bettis speed

Originally posted by whatje
Originally posted by taz20075

Low vision (48 max), high agility (80-90), high carrying (68), high HF/QC/Juke (at least 11), moderate speed (68-74). EQ in Agility/Carrying.

If you're building a Super Elusive back, you're not trying to build a back that is going to turn the corner and outrun everyone. You're building a back that is going to juke/fake the crap out of everyone and frequently get run down from behind. Think Barry Sanders.

barry sanders had break away speed. the back you are describing has jerome bettis speed

Breakaway speed? Hardly. He routinely got dragged down from behind on long rushes. It happened at least once a game vs the Bears alone. He played in 153 games. In 7 games his longest rush was less than 10 yds. In 60 games it was between 11-20. In 35 games it was between 21-30. Thats 66% of his games where his longest rush was less than 40 yds. Only 33 games w/ a longest rush over 40 yds (and only 6 70+ yd runs).

Barry was great at making space and getting out of the area quickly. So one of two things is happening.... He's got 68-74 GLB speed w/ 80-90 agility, or he has 28 stamina.

Originally posted by taz20075
Originally posted by whatje

Originally posted by taz20075


Low vision (48 max), high agility (80-90), high carrying (68), high HF/QC/Juke (at least 11), moderate speed (68-74). EQ in Agility/Carrying.

If you're building a Super Elusive back, you're not trying to build a back that is going to turn the corner and outrun everyone. You're building a back that is going to juke/fake the crap out of everyone and frequently get run down from behind. Think Barry Sanders.

barry sanders had break away speed. the back you are describing has jerome bettis speed

Breakaway speed? Hardly. He routinely got dragged down from behind on long rushes. It happened at least once a game vs the Bears alone. He played in 153 games. In 7 games his longest rush was less than 10 yds. In 60 games it was between 11-20. In 35 games it was between 21-30. Thats 66% of his games where his longest rush was less than 40 yds. Only 33 games w/ a longest rush over 40 yds (and only 6 70+ yd runs).

Barry was great at making space and getting out of the area quickly. So one of two things is happening.... He's got 68-74 GLB speed w/ 80-90 agility, or he has 28 stamina.

He had 2 80 yd TDs in 1 game. Barry had 4.41 40 speed. I would not question his stamina, after full practices he would often squat 300-400 lbs for 2-3 sets of 25-50 reps. Guess that is whay he had 29 inch thighs.

Elusive back?
I think they should be something like this:
77 speed <-equipment to 95
77 agility <-rest of the equipment (89 at lvl 48)
60 carrying

Slippery to 15
Quick Feet to 15

Spin to 10 or higher
Head Fake to 5 or higher

But what do I know

Originally posted by taz20075

If you're building a Super Elusive back, you're not trying to build a back that is going to turn the corner and outrun everyone.

I think it should be both... Speed determines acceleration more than agility does in my experience, and when you cut a lot you want to accelerate as fast as possible and have a good max speed so you can get away from the turn faster than the defender gets to you.

I would build him like John Drakell (http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=68104)

Originally posted by Kitux
I would build him like John Drakell (http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=68104)

Yay, now we can all look at your closed build and wonder why you posted!

Originally posted by Kitux
I would build him like John Drakell (http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=68104)

Too bad never will play in the Pros.

Haha acually he will after this season with ouer team moving up.

7 games with no rushes over 10 yards in 153 games isn't bad, you should look at other RBs.

You should look at the reverse of what you just posted, cause in 56% of his career games (supposedly, I'm not going to check this) he had a rush over 20 yards. All this with a shit team basically his entire career.

One of the best RBs of all time imo, and probably the best 'elusive' runner ever by a decent margin. He might not have had the 4.2 speed a couple people post in the NFL now (I can really only think of one RB who can run a sub 4.35-4.40), but I don't think that means he's slow.

(This has nothing to do w/ GLB at this point. I just think he was pretty fast)

I just think someone with "breakaway speed" is turning more of those 20-30 yd rushes into 50 plus ones. At that point he's already in the secondary...

fair point. i'd respond by saying that he had plenty of 50 yard runs, not sure how many you want to see.

i'm bored so here's some stuff

Barry Sanders avg'd 4.5 games per season with at least one rush over 40 yards.

LaDanian Tomlinson avg'd 2.75
Larry Johnson avg'd 1.67
Steven Jackson avg'd 2
Frank Gore avg'd 2.25
Chris Johnson had 3 last year.

It seems like Barry had a lot of 40+ yard runs.

Edit: there's a lot of problems w/ those stats so I don't mean to suggest that Barry's the best outta all them or that they're the fastest guys and what not, its just a quick, rough showing of how many you'd expect to see from top-of-the-line RBs, a couple of which are pretty fast