Warrior General Games

Originally posted by direfire
i've heard mixed reviews. what does everyone think? worth it or not?

Like Vision (duh) and Confidence that JTS itself won't make or break your player. However, if you have a solid build then it will definitely help your player produce.

I have two DEs with similar levels and I tested it and I noticed that even thought it didn't let my stats go crazy with or without, but my DEs definitely get off the line at a normal pace consistently with JTS then without.

JTS is one of those VA that increases your chance to put up stats, but by itself it won't help you put up stats if your DE/DT is a turd.

I would say get it to 7 (I don't understand this max it out to 15 before you move on to next VA garbage.) At 7 JTS that gives you 21% boost to vision check, that's a lot.

UD i'm still baffled that you went with quick over pass rusher. Passing usually always happens on 3rd and 4th down. Plus the attribute VA's suck now. Max'd it only gives you like an extra 3 points or something stupid like that.

Originally posted by direfire
UD i'm still baffled that you went with quick over pass rusher. Passing usually always happens on 3rd and 4th down. Plus the attribute VA's suck now. Max'd it only gives you like an extra 3 points or something stupid like that.

untrue, passing happens on first and second downs too between 35 and 50 percent depending on the opponents, what doesnt always happen is getting a 3rd or fourth down on long possessions. Even if you get a 3rd and short, pass rusher doesnt help you if they run the ball. 100% of defensive plays Quick helps you on both running and passing plays.

I am surprised too, Underdogs and I used to be at opposite ends of the spectrum concerning builds a few months ago, but I think we look very similar at building D-linemen now.

Originally posted by direfire
Max'd it only gives you like an extra 3 points or something stupid like that.

3 points is stupid? thats three quarters of a level 48 or 56 upgrade for basically free. Which is more of a waste, getting an attribute increase 100% of the time for every play or spending 15 VA's waiting for scenario that may happen 10% of the game like pass rusher? And during that 10% of the game, how many hurries and sacks do you think your player will get going up against an O-lineman who has 15 VA's in the pass blocker VA? Why not help your dlineman the other 90% of the defensive plays you go up against them? 3.5 points of speed or agility DOES make a difference.

Yeah I'm starting to have faith in the stat VAs again, i don't think thts all you should take, but i'm adding one of them to everyone of my guys. 3-4points ain't nothing to sneeze at when your up in the 105 range.

Originally posted by Madd_Maxx
Originally posted by direfire

UD i'm still baffled that you went with quick over pass rusher. Passing usually always happens on 3rd and 4th down. Plus the attribute VA's suck now. Max'd it only gives you like an extra 3 points or something stupid like that.

untrue, passing happens on first and second downs too between 35 and 50 percent depending on the opponents, what doesnt always happen is getting a 3rd or fourth down on long possessions. Even if you get a 3rd and short, pass rusher doesnt help you if they run the ball. 100% of defensive plays Quick helps you on both running and passing plays.

I am surprised too, Underdogs and I used to be at opposite ends of the spectrum concerning builds a few months ago, but I think we look very similar at building D-linemen now.

I really don't think we were ever at opposite ends. I have always been quite a few levels lower than your guys. I think I was always heading in the same direction as yours were, just didn't realize it at the time.

the only thing we may have been in disagreement was vision. But you were absolutely correct. capping vision definitely helps. But I am still pondering at this point if it is worth it to take it higher than cap.

pfft 3-4 points suckz. Whatever though let your player take the most important downs of the game off .

Originally posted by direfire
pfft 3-4 points suckz. Whatever though let your player take the most important downs of the game off .

sucks? So I guess you consider an extra set of free speed upgrades a waste? Whatever man, you can have your opinion, but my level 53 DT has won multiple awards at different levels including sack\hurry award last season in the EE Pro League despite going up against linemen five to nine levels higher then my DT, so I tend to think I am on the right path.

Originally posted by UnderDogs


the only thing we may have been in disagreement was vision. But you were absolutely correct. capping vision definitely helps. But I am still pondering at this point if it is worth it to take it higher than cap.



yeah, its hard to say on vision, the biggest production increase was the first cap, but I have daily trained most of my higher leveled guys to mid 50's, but I dont know if their production is attributed to higher vision or high speed.

k top gun

I don't have a real opinion on attribute VAs, I could go either way on them, but I honestly saw no improvement by using the pass rusher VA. I may rather put points in Quick than Pass Rusher.

Originally posted by Motiak
I don't have a real opinion on attribute VAs, I could go either way on them, but I honestly saw no improvement by using the pass rusher VA. I may rather put points in Quick than Pass Rusher.

True that. I put all my VA into Pass Rusher, and my DE has put up almost all of his sacks on 1st and 2nd down rather than 3rd or 4th down. If he had a boost, it wasn't helping.

Ironically enough, I took all my points out of pass rusher and then got three sacks on third down the next game. Not sure how to explain that.

+30% to agility AND strength when rushing the passer is absolutely huge. the only knock against this VA is if your player just doesn't get that many snaps where this VA would kick in (3rd & 4th on passing downs).

if no one is finding that their dlinemen does better in these situations while this VA is maxed, it makes me think it must be broken.