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Originally posted by pottsman
You definitely finish strength, agility, and blocking before speed. Finish. I personally cap vision before speed, too, but that's up to you.

Quintessential advice here. Speed "last". However, for my FB, I just started training speed, and am training it before vision. Will he really be missing many gains for a secondary at level 36? I don't think so.

Originally posted by Warlock

Your player will in-fact fade sooner, it's simple mathematics and logic...

1. My two primary attributes are ~33% higher than your two primary attributes... this means that I can handle decline better. I can take the first full season of decline and still have my two primary attributes higher than you will without any decline.
2. When my player does "peak", he will have a considerably advantage over a player that has ~33% lower primary attributes.

As for which type of build, it's kind of irrelevant TBPH. We're discussing overall player building techniques. A player that is more efficiently built will peak later, but be better during their peak and handle decline better.

Most teams do carry two FBs, in-fact it's pretty rare to see a team with only a single FB. Teams generally carry a blocking FB and either a second blocking FB, a balanced FB or an offensive FB.

Also, don't believe the confidence hype, my level 61 FB didn't even have it 1st capped until recently (hit 48.8 via training sometime this season) and does exceptionally well. Motivational speaker is a great VA to help counter morale issues during a game, a smart team will rarely suffer from morale spirals.

Stamina might be an issue, but also consider that my offensive FB rarely break 30 snaps a game and has maybe half that in actual touches. 33 stamina should do just fine in most situations, I survived until level 50 with it under 40 (it's at the 1st cap currently with +3 from AE).

Vision is the only attribute that I feel is dangerously low in that build, but I think I can survive with it in the low 30's for a couple seasons. Yet another attribute that hurts more than it helps, if it's too high, for an offensive player. My ROT with 63 vision is constantly doing stupid things because he sees too much, like so...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=588512&pbp_id=12309406

Overall, confidence/vision/stamina are perfectly acceptable at the 1st cap for most positions.

You can keep tabs on him... another option is to look what I have already accomplished with my level 61 and increase the effectiveness of his build by ~40% (probably more though). He was a S1 player with almost zero slow or cap building, he also was a blocking build until his 5th season. Add in efficient building and focused planning. This time, I have all the knowledge attained through 10 seasons of playing this game to work with, this time around I'm not completely clueless because the game is brand new and there's almost zero documentation.

Anyways, I was only attempting to pass on my knowledge, to save you from making some of the mistakes that I made, not criticize your build... if you don't want the help, I'll just shut up. Unfortunately, I've learned that the most effective method of teaching is via compare and contrast... some people get defensive though.

This post made me touch my weiner.

Originally posted by pottsman
You definitely finish strength, agility, and blocking before speed. Finish. I personally cap vision before speed, too, but that's up to you.

This...he may not be a superstar in his early seasons, but later in his career when it matters he will really shine

Originally posted by balony_pony16
Originally posted by pottsman

You
definitely finish strength, agility, and blocking before speed. Finish.
I personally cap vision before speed, too, but that's up to you.

This...he may not be a superstar in his early seasons, but later in his career when it matters he will really shine

I would rather do speed before vision but it's really up to you. But agree with everything else here.

I find it rather humorous at how many teams on GLB that have HB's that hit the hole quicker than the FB. Vision is useless if you're too slow to get in position to throw a block. That is a FACT.

Originally posted by ODOGG45
I find it rather humorous at how many teams on GLB that have HB's that hit the hole quicker than the FB. Vision is useless if you're too slow to get in position to throw a block. That is a FACT.

That's because FBs do not gain leveling increases to speed, thus it's one of the last attributes that many people work on. HBs on the other hand, regardless of build, work on speed fairly early in their career. This results in slow ass FBs lead blocking for jet-propelled HBs.

Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by ODOGG45

I find it rather humorous at how many teams on GLB that have HB's that hit the hole quicker than the FB. Vision is useless if you're too slow to get in position to throw a block. That is a FACT.

That's because FBs do not gain leveling increases to speed, thus it's one of the last attributes that many people work on. HBs on the other hand, regardless of build, work on speed fairly early in their career. This results in slow ass FBs lead blocking for jet-propelled HBs.

true...if speed did auto lvl like it should, then most people would be high capping speed first

Originally posted by ODOGG45
I find it rather humorous at how many teams on GLB that have HB's that hit the hole quicker than the FB. Vision is useless if you're too slow to get in position to throw a block. That is a FACT.

Nobody is arguing against the usefulness of speed. I don't think anyone would want their finished build on a fullback to have speed less than 80 (an extreme low in my mind, only useful on heavy power running teams). But when you're building, with the way this game works...speed needs to be waited on.

Assuming speed was a minor (which would make sense, FBs shouldn't have it as a major), typical build plan would probably be strength-agility-speed-blocking.

Originally posted by pottsman
Originally posted by ODOGG45

I find it rather humorous at how many teams on GLB that have HB's that hit the hole quicker than the FB. Vision is useless if you're too slow to get in position to throw a block. That is a FACT.

Nobody is arguing against the usefulness of speed. I don't think anyone would want their finished build on a fullback to have speed less than 80 (an extreme low in my mind, only useful on heavy power running teams). But when you're building, with the way this game works...speed needs to be waited on.

Assuming speed was a minor (which would make sense, FBs shouldn't have it as a major), typical build plan would probably be strength-agility-speed-blocking.

I get what your saying, my comments were more about how many FB's on GLB are way too slow to be effective blockers. Even at the Pro level there's a ton of worthless, way too slow FB's. Just an observation.