Yeah brit, that's pretty much my game plan. I really like what you got working there. I figured I would have to work on only sp/ag/st for the first 4 or 5 seasons. What kind of stats you getting with that build?
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Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Yeah brit, that's pretty much my game plan. I really like what you got working there. I figured I would have to work on only sp/ag/st for the first 4 or 5 seasons. What kind of stats you getting with that build?
Not many, I don't really care how he performs till about level 40-42.
This season he is paying in a 28 cap league and should be one of the highest level players in the league, so I do expect something from him this season.
Only thing is he has no SA's yet, and with the SA buffs, i fear that may hurt him this season compared to other DE's. But who knows right now as no games have simmed yet.
Yeah brit, that's pretty much my game plan. I really like what you got working there. I figured I would have to work on only sp/ag/st for the first 4 or 5 seasons. What kind of stats you getting with that build?
Not many, I don't really care how he performs till about level 40-42.
This season he is paying in a 28 cap league and should be one of the highest level players in the league, so I do expect something from him this season.
Only thing is he has no SA's yet, and with the SA buffs, i fear that may hurt him this season compared to other DE's. But who knows right now as no games have simmed yet.
Edited by britdevine316 on Jun 13, 2009 10:26:21
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Originally posted by MasonLow
Hard for him to get sacks and hurries laying flat on his back!!! Pancaked 19 times in one game.
It's also hard to get sacks on running plays.
To the OP: I actually like speed-based DE's, you just need to get your agility up. In all honesty I'd take it to 74+ before working on strength. My newest DE is heading in the same direction at brit's FWIW.
I'm eager to see how the DE/OT interaction changes this season, I saw a lot of DE's beating the OT at the edge only to be "held" when they were already past him. That's where speed DE's shine.
Hard for him to get sacks and hurries laying flat on his back!!! Pancaked 19 times in one game.

It's also hard to get sacks on running plays.

To the OP: I actually like speed-based DE's, you just need to get your agility up. In all honesty I'd take it to 74+ before working on strength. My newest DE is heading in the same direction at brit's FWIW.
I'm eager to see how the DE/OT interaction changes this season, I saw a lot of DE's beating the OT at the edge only to be "held" when they were already past him. That's where speed DE's shine.

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Having more speed than agility doesn't make a lot of sense as you will never hit your top end before getting to the QB, an even amount would probably work well like 75/74.
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Having speed is important, especially if you can get FS to fire a lot. This is the first season that my DE will have sufficient FS and jump the snap to possibly be effective. I hope that my theory is correct!
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=865196
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=865196
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Speed DE's are for noobs. Also, your agility needs a ton of work. But you're definitely on the right track.
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Originally posted by misled
Speed DE's are for noobs. Also, your agility needs a ton of work. But you're definitely on the right track.
Thanks misled. Would you say I should stop putting aditional eq in speed. Maybe start puttting it in agility.
Speed DE's are for noobs. Also, your agility needs a ton of work. But you're definitely on the right track.
Thanks misled. Would you say I should stop putting aditional eq in speed. Maybe start puttting it in agility.
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Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by misled
Speed DE's are for noobs. Also, your agility needs a ton of work. But you're definitely on the right track.
Thanks misled. Would you say I should stop putting aditional eq in speed. Maybe start puttting it in agility.
I would get agility up to at least 68-72 natural asap.
Originally posted by misled
Speed DE's are for noobs. Also, your agility needs a ton of work. But you're definitely on the right track.
Thanks misled. Would you say I should stop putting aditional eq in speed. Maybe start puttting it in agility.
I would get agility up to at least 68-72 natural asap.
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Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
For one..I didn't add skill points until the final few games this season..My team rebuilt I was in a league where we were level 1 guys against level 20 + Did you even look at my teams record that season...What was it..Like 2-14..Being blown out by 200 + ?...He's supposed to get a sack against some one 20 + levels higher..? And this past season I didn't add skill points until the end, I literally had 100 + skill points saved up...Try looking at the last few games....3 + hurries each(which is a vision thing) and at least one sack, sometimes multiple sacks...If you're going to try to be sarcastic at least do some homework..K thnx...Point being I actaully was going to help you make a decent DE but now I'm not and you can have fun messing yours up while mine succeeds.
Sounds good cap'n. It doesn't do you any good to keep 100 sp's. You lost out on all the lvl ups. Wtf am I going to do now that your won't help me make my DE decent? I guess I will just retire and go shot myself in the head. I hope your happy.
Dude. Your overreacting TheInstantClassic's advice. No need to get personal. You asked a question expect people to give critical opinions. Why so touchy?
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
For one..I didn't add skill points until the final few games this season..My team rebuilt I was in a league where we were level 1 guys against level 20 + Did you even look at my teams record that season...What was it..Like 2-14..Being blown out by 200 + ?...He's supposed to get a sack against some one 20 + levels higher..? And this past season I didn't add skill points until the end, I literally had 100 + skill points saved up...Try looking at the last few games....3 + hurries each(which is a vision thing) and at least one sack, sometimes multiple sacks...If you're going to try to be sarcastic at least do some homework..K thnx...Point being I actaully was going to help you make a decent DE but now I'm not and you can have fun messing yours up while mine succeeds.
Sounds good cap'n. It doesn't do you any good to keep 100 sp's. You lost out on all the lvl ups. Wtf am I going to do now that your won't help me make my DE decent? I guess I will just retire and go shot myself in the head. I hope your happy.
Dude. Your overreacting TheInstantClassic's advice. No need to get personal. You asked a question expect people to give critical opinions. Why so touchy?
Homage
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Originally posted by FatNasty
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
For
one..I didn't add skill points until the final few games this
season..My team rebuilt I was in a league where we were level 1 guys
against level 20 + Did you even look at my teams record that
season...What was it..Like 2-14..Being blown out by 200 + ?...He's
supposed to get a sack against some one 20 + levels higher..? And this
past season I didn't add skill points until the end, I literally had
100 + skill points saved up...Try looking at the last few games....3 +
hurries each(which is a vision thing) and at least one sack, sometimes
multiple sacks...If you're going to try to be sarcastic at least do
some homework..K thnx...Point being I actaully was going to help you
make a decent DE but now I'm not and you can have fun messing yours up
while mine succeeds.
Sounds good cap'n. It doesn't do you
any good to keep 100 sp's. You lost out on all the lvl ups. Wtf am I
going to do now that your won't help me make my DE decent? I guess I
will just retire and go shot myself in the head. I hope your happy.
Dude.
Your overreacting TheInstantClassic's advice. No need to get personal.
You asked a question expect people to give critical opinions. Why so
touchy?
well it's pretty clear he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about as far as building practices... if he's got 100+ sp's saved up. That's ludicrous.
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
For
one..I didn't add skill points until the final few games this
season..My team rebuilt I was in a league where we were level 1 guys
against level 20 + Did you even look at my teams record that
season...What was it..Like 2-14..Being blown out by 200 + ?...He's
supposed to get a sack against some one 20 + levels higher..? And this
past season I didn't add skill points until the end, I literally had
100 + skill points saved up...Try looking at the last few games....3 +
hurries each(which is a vision thing) and at least one sack, sometimes
multiple sacks...If you're going to try to be sarcastic at least do
some homework..K thnx...Point being I actaully was going to help you
make a decent DE but now I'm not and you can have fun messing yours up
while mine succeeds.
Sounds good cap'n. It doesn't do you
any good to keep 100 sp's. You lost out on all the lvl ups. Wtf am I
going to do now that your won't help me make my DE decent? I guess I
will just retire and go shot myself in the head. I hope your happy.
Dude.
Your overreacting TheInstantClassic's advice. No need to get personal.
You asked a question expect people to give critical opinions. Why so
touchy?
well it's pretty clear he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about as far as building practices... if he's got 100+ sp's saved up. That's ludicrous.
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Originally posted by britdevine316
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by misled
Speed DE's are for noobs. Also, your agility needs a ton of work. But you're definitely on the right track.
Thanks misled. Would you say I should stop putting aditional eq in speed. Maybe start puttting it in agility.
I would get agility up to at least 68-72 natural asap.
I would say even further to something like 74.
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by misled
Speed DE's are for noobs. Also, your agility needs a ton of work. But you're definitely on the right track.
Thanks misled. Would you say I should stop putting aditional eq in speed. Maybe start puttting it in agility.
I would get agility up to at least 68-72 natural asap.
I would say even further to something like 74.
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Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
So out of the blue, and beyond uncalled for. The guy tries to help you and you attack his credentials. You really must be from Oklahoma, you goddam simpleton.
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
So out of the blue, and beyond uncalled for. The guy tries to help you and you attack his credentials. You really must be from Oklahoma, you goddam simpleton.
Edited by Ludachris on Jun 13, 2009 16:17:58
Mad Dog23
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Originally posted by FatNasty
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
For one..I didn't add skill points until the final few games this season..My team rebuilt I was in a league where we were level 1 guys against level 20 + Did you even look at my teams record that season...What was it..Like 2-14..Being blown out by 200 + ?...He's supposed to get a sack against some one 20 + levels higher..? And this past season I didn't add skill points until the end, I literally had 100 + skill points saved up...Try looking at the last few games....3 + hurries each(which is a vision thing) and at least one sack, sometimes multiple sacks...If you're going to try to be sarcastic at least do some homework..K thnx...Point being I actaully was going to help you make a decent DE but now I'm not and you can have fun messing yours up while mine succeeds.
Sounds good cap'n. It doesn't do you any good to keep 100 sp's. You lost out on all the lvl ups. Wtf am I going to do now that your won't help me make my DE decent? I guess I will just retire and go shot myself in the head. I hope your happy.
Dude. Your overreacting TheInstantClassic's advice. No need to get personal. You asked a question expect people to give critical opinions. Why so touchy?
You are probably right. My first response was a little chippy, but I looked at his build and saw at this point mine had been more effective. So I kind of called him out on it. Kind of, wasn't that bad. After that he got personal and it was go time. If you look at all my other replies in this thread I have been nice and appreciative to everyone.
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
For one..I didn't add skill points until the final few games this season..My team rebuilt I was in a league where we were level 1 guys against level 20 + Did you even look at my teams record that season...What was it..Like 2-14..Being blown out by 200 + ?...He's supposed to get a sack against some one 20 + levels higher..? And this past season I didn't add skill points until the end, I literally had 100 + skill points saved up...Try looking at the last few games....3 + hurries each(which is a vision thing) and at least one sack, sometimes multiple sacks...If you're going to try to be sarcastic at least do some homework..K thnx...Point being I actaully was going to help you make a decent DE but now I'm not and you can have fun messing yours up while mine succeeds.
Sounds good cap'n. It doesn't do you any good to keep 100 sp's. You lost out on all the lvl ups. Wtf am I going to do now that your won't help me make my DE decent? I guess I will just retire and go shot myself in the head. I hope your happy.
Dude. Your overreacting TheInstantClassic's advice. No need to get personal. You asked a question expect people to give critical opinions. Why so touchy?
You are probably right. My first response was a little chippy, but I looked at his build and saw at this point mine had been more effective. So I kind of called him out on it. Kind of, wasn't that bad. After that he got personal and it was go time. If you look at all my other replies in this thread I have been nice and appreciative to everyone.
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Originally posted by Ludachris
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
So out of the blue, and beyond uncalled for. The guy tries to help you and you attack his credentials. You really must be from Oklahoma, you goddam simpleton.
Bring it son!!! Good times!! Actually I was born in texas, grew up in OK, and have been back in texas for the last 12 years. goddam simpleton? Really is that the best you got? Weak, imo. Why didn't you say something about trailer parks, or pit bulls, or meth labs. Much better take imo. Consider yourself off the christmas card list. Like I have stated, I took in the advice and then checked to see his creds. I just stated what I saw. Didn't really mean to be harsh, but in hind site I probably was. As for you, have a coke and smile and shut the fuck up!!! Eagerly awaiting your reply.
Originally posted by Mad Dog23
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
You didn't do wrong..But the build is wrong for a speed based DE. Not near enough agility.
Says the guy who has had 6 sacks in 2 seasons. What's your build like? Mine seems to be more effective.
So out of the blue, and beyond uncalled for. The guy tries to help you and you attack his credentials. You really must be from Oklahoma, you goddam simpleton.
Bring it son!!! Good times!! Actually I was born in texas, grew up in OK, and have been back in texas for the last 12 years. goddam simpleton? Really is that the best you got? Weak, imo. Why didn't you say something about trailer parks, or pit bulls, or meth labs. Much better take imo. Consider yourself off the christmas card list. Like I have stated, I took in the advice and then checked to see his creds. I just stated what I saw. Didn't really mean to be harsh, but in hind site I probably was. As for you, have a coke and smile and shut the fuck up!!! Eagerly awaiting your reply.
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good job Mad Dog you've managed to not only prove the stereotypes about southerners, but also GLB players.
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