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Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Asheme
I'm not disagreeing because, well, I don't disagree. I've said many times that there are multiple types of SS and different ways to build those multiple types (also, strength doesn't go into the make tackle equation in terms of making/missing the tackle, unless Bort changed the code since he posted about it. I'm not going searching for his post, though >_> ).



str goes into the tackling equation almost as much as tackling does.

People actually think you are good at this game too?
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
str goes into the tackling equation almost as much as tackling does.

People actually think you are good at this game too?

Don't make me find the quote, because I really don't want to.
 
Asheme
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Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by britdevine316

Tackling should be more important than Str in the tackling equation for sure.

It already is. Quite a bit more. STR mostly helps you hold them back when you make the tackle.
 
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tackling = 6/17 tkl + 4/17 str + 3/17 agi + 2/17 vis + 1/17 conf + 1/17 weight/5

so as you can see tackling is 11/17th other things...str being almost as much as tackling itself.

str agi vision alone comprise of 9/17ths of tackling which is more than tackling itself.

You can get away with low tackling if everything else is high enough.
Edited by UnderDogs on Jun 18, 2009 19:12:25
Edited by UnderDogs on Jun 18, 2009 19:12:02
Edited by UnderDogs on Jun 18, 2009 19:10:10
 
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and quoting Bort isn't the best thing to do. He is known to be very vague.
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
tackling = 6/17 tkl + 4/17 str + 3/17 agi + 2/17 vis + 1/17 conf + 1/17 weight/5

so as you can see tackling is 11/17th other things...str being almost as much as tackling itself.

str agi vision alone comprise of 9/17ths of tackling which is more than tackling itself.

You can get away with low tackling if everything else is high enough.

That's the formula for the tackling bar, not the tackling mechanic in the sim. I don't think there can be very much correlation drawn between the two.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
and quoting Bort isn't the best thing to do. He is known to be very vague.

He's also the person who coded the game, and that quote is about as far away from vague as you can get.

It's ok to admit you were wrong.
 
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Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by UnderDogs

tackling = 6/17 tkl + 4/17 str + 3/17 agi + 2/17 vis + 1/17 conf + 1/17 weight/5

so as you can see tackling is 11/17th other things...str being almost as much as tackling itself.

str agi vision alone comprise of 9/17ths of tackling which is more than tackling itself.

You can get away with low tackling if everything else is high enough.

That's the formula for the tackling bar, not the tackling mechanic in the sim. I don't think there can be very much correlation drawn between the two.

Originally posted by UnderDogs

and quoting Bort isn't the best thing to do. He is known to be very vague.

He's also the person who coded the game, and that quote is about as far away from vague as you can get.

It's ok to admit you were wrong.


ok asheme. ok.

whatever you say.

You know I love you.
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
ok asheme. ok.

whatever you say.

You know I love you.

I was j/king with the last part

Even Bort doesn't know how his game works, but that quote has guided my decision making, so if I'm wrong I can blame that guy.
 
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tater salad...
 
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If think if I had it to do over I would have gone TAK before STR on my SS. He's fine now, but seemed to suffer a bit 2 seasons ago, and at the start of last season when the gap between STR and TAK was larger.

 
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Originally posted by whoshotjr
If think if I had it to do over I would have gone TAK before STR on my SS. He's fine now, but seemed to suffer a bit 2 seasons ago, and at the start of last season when the gap between STR and TAK was larger.



Strength before tackling, hands down. There's been discussion around here before that I've seen like this and the people who won that argument were in the strength camp, maybe I can try and find the link?
 
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It would seem the argument between which to improve first, strength or tackling, would be quickly decided by which is most useful. Since tackling only really helps tackling, and strength helps a myriad of things, getting strength up first would seem to be the most logical way to do it.

Look at a house: the walls and roof are the most important elements that keep the outside actually outside, but neither would be up to the task if you did not first invest in putting up strong framing to hang them on. Just my two cents...
 
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Str is fine for FF, but agi and tak, seem to have a larger influence in actually making a regular tackle.
 
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