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Originally posted by Axeramm
Gah can we try to keep this at least a little bit civil?

Just saw the post in Announcements forum about the Loser Bowl. We may get to be the number 1 seed

I would keep it civil if people didn't try to masturbate themselves in front of everyone like Prince.

i am not trying to be an ass, i am trying to point out how inaccurate Stickman's power rankings have been all season. Thankgod his team might be moving on to another league and maybe will get someone who can do a correct power ranking...you know...someone who will consider wins into the equation.lol

Originally posted by Prince Darius
i am not trying to be an ass, i am trying to point out how inaccurate Stickman's power rankings have been all season. Thankgod his team might be moving on to another league and maybe will get someone who can do a correct power ranking...you know...someone who will consider wins into the equation.lol

Perhaps the Capitals will move too, to get jizzed on by say all the teams in the conference of an A comference.

Originally posted by Prince Darius
i am not trying to be an ass, i am trying to point out how inaccurate Stickman's power rankings have been all season. Thankgod his team might be moving on to another league and maybe will get someone who can do a correct power ranking...you know...someone who will consider wins into the equation.lol

First off, I believe that wins are part of the equation.

Second, if you want the teams ranked by wins go to the BBB4 league page, it is layed out real nice right there. These power rankings are based on a large variety of stats in order to compare teams by how productive they are on the field. Of course they are not perfect. If Stickman could make a perfect equation for power rankings I bet that he would get a few offers from sports shows and papers and mags asking for it.

Stickman has been working hard on these things all season, trying to improve them. They are a long way from complete. Now, if you think you can do better then go for it, but if not, then stop making an ass of yourself.

Originally posted by Beaker
Now, if you think you can do better then go for it, but if not, then stop making an ass of yourself.

Applause

Stickmans ranking formula is currently in beta and still working out the bugs. I think he is a closet Bronco fan and that is why he ranks us higher than you

LOL closet broncos fan

yea i mean the power rankings take into account certain on field performances, obviously with some ranked better than others, seriously, look at the overall numbers, most teams that are closely ranked are close and it can go either way for the most part in different sections of the rankings

This season's rankings are just going to be naturally skewed due to the disparity in the league the first half a dozen games or so, too.

yea thats a good point, next season it'll be a true ranking

Originally posted by Prince Darius
i am not trying to be an ass, i am trying to point out how inaccurate Stickman's power rankings have been all season. Thankgod his team might be moving on to another league and maybe will get someone who can do a correct power ranking...you know...someone who will consider wins into the equation.lol

Wins have been been in the equation all season.

So you're saying that it should be impossible for a team with fewer wins to be ranked higher than a team with more wins?

That's fine if you disagree with my rankings, but you never have anything useful to suggest for how to improve them. Add wins into the rankings....that's all you have to suggest? You suggest I add something that's already in the formula, that should help a lot.

One of the things that I've been trying to explain to people (and it may have been more so in the USA A#2 forums rather than here) is the the stats accumulate over the entire season. Therefore starting out terrible and the improving significantly towards the end of the season will have you ranked lower in these rankings due to the "slow start". So one thing that I'm working on to improve the rankings is to calculate the performances for individual games, and then have the latest 4-6 (probably 5) games account for about 70-75% of the ranking, with the remaining being the cumulative stats. This however is more difficult and I've been too busy with real world stuff to spend that much time on this to get it finished for this season. However, the goal is to have this for next season, and then it will increase the rankings of teams who have improved, and sink teams who have gone in the toilet.

The other thing this will allow me to do is reward teams for playing tougher teams even though they don't put up huge stats. ie, right now, if 2 good teams play each other, then neither team gets much of a boost in the stats because both teams were good. So, neither team was really rewarded for playing another top team. Whereas, say an average team playing a terrible team would likely put up big stats and could have theoretically gained ground in the rankings on the two good teams. I'll be able to fix that a bit as well.

And, finally, to all teams/people who feel they are undervalued in the rankings, show up big in the playoffs, and earn your respect. the way everyone else is going to do. Being a member of Beer Town, I can tell you that is what we'll be trying to do. Being ranked #1 in the power rankings don't mean squat when it comes down to it. We have to win to earn our respect. If we lose, we'll be laughed at and then forgotten, just like everyone else.

Thanks,
StickMan

Originally posted by fdisk
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If this stick dude woudlnt have messed up ranking THEN maybe people wouldnt call him out in it...

Seriously? You're really going to post that here?

Maybe, if I'd been bragging about how my rankings were perfect or something, then your comments would be warranted. However, that is not the case. I've stated repeatedly that these are not perfect, and I've asked for suggestions people feel would be valuable to include.

Originally posted by fdisk

Really if you are going to do something at least USE some of the actually stats to back it up...

What stats would you suggest I use? Maybe you'd suggest I use the total yardage gained by an offense, or the total points scored. Or maybe you'd suggest the total yards allowed by a Defense, and the total points allowed. Maybe even the turnovers that people have coughed up, or that they've created on D......Maybe even you'd suggest using wins and losses, and maybe something about the wins and losses of a teams opponents....

Oh wait..... those are already in there.

How about something like the percent of opponent possessions that score against your defense, or the average number of plays per possession your D is on the field?

What's that, you don't see those stats anywhere on the GLB website? Oh that's because they're not directly listed. But with some creative rearrangement of the stats that are there, I've determined those values, because I felt they helped represent the effectiveness of a defense.

While I'm not currently using all of the stats available (some, like FG's scored against, don't seem to be particularly indicative of a good team), I'm still using approximately 35-40 stats in these rankings.

So your comments show that you're whining because you think your team is ranked too low, but you've apparently never bothered to read anything about what goes into my rankings, you just made asinine and incorrect assumptions.


If you have something useful to contribute, please do so, as I've asked for suggestions to improve the rankings.

Otherwise quit yer bitchin' because your team is ranked lower than you think it should be.


And to everyone else who's backed me up, or who just enjoys reading the rankings for what they are, entertainment, Thanks. I'm glad you enjoy them.

Thanks,
StickMan

Is it wrong that i want your team to lose in the playoffs only so that you will do rankings again next season? Its kinda like you hope your single buddy that has the big screen and a kick ass theater room never gets married cause you wont get to visit much anymore.

Originally posted by Stickman
Originally posted by Prince Darius

i am not trying to be an ass, i am trying to point out how inaccurate Stickman's power rankings have been all season. Thankgod his team might be moving on to another league and maybe will get someone who can do a correct power ranking...you know...someone who will consider wins into the equation.lol

Wins have been been in the equation all season.

So you're saying that it should be impossible for a team with fewer wins to be ranked higher than a team with more wins?

That's fine if you disagree with my rankings, but you never have anything useful to suggest for how to improve them. Add wins into the rankings....that's all you have to suggest? You suggest I add something that's already in the formula, that should help a lot.

One of the things that I've been trying to explain to people (and it may have been more so in the USA A#2 forums rather than here) is the the stats accumulate over the entire season. Therefore starting out terrible and the improving significantly towards the end of the season will have you ranked lower in these rankings due to the "slow start". So one thing that I'm working on to improve the rankings is to calculate the performances for individual games, and then have the latest 4-6 (probably 5) games account for about 70-75% of the ranking, with the remaining being the cumulative stats. This however is more difficult and I've been too busy with real world stuff to spend that much time on this to get it finished for this season. However, the goal is to have this for next season, and then it will increase the rankings of teams who have improved, and sink teams who have gone in the toilet.

The other thing this will allow me to do is reward teams for playing tougher teams even though they don't put up huge stats. ie, right now, if 2 good teams play each other, then neither team gets much of a boost in the stats because both teams were good. So, neither team was really rewarded for playing another top team. Whereas, say an average team playing a terrible team would likely put up big stats and could have theoretically gained ground in the rankings on the two good teams. I'll be able to fix that a bit as well.

And, finally, to all teams/people who feel they are undervalued in the rankings, show up big in the playoffs, and earn your respect. the way everyone else is going to do. Being a member of Beer Town, I can tell you that is what we'll be trying to do. Being ranked #1 in the power rankings don't mean squat when it comes down to it. We have to win to earn our respect. If we lose, we'll be laughed at and then forgotten, just like everyone else.

Thanks,
StickMan


Ignore him =) Your rankings were pretty darn accurate throughout the season. I'm not sure he really understands that the middle of the pack is always the most inaccurate under any ranking system. It'll always be that way.

Boston has been ranked 7-12th throughout the entire season... Does this bother me? No, not at all. Would I like to see us ranked higher? Nope, and I'll tell you why. It doesn't matter. I still look at the rankings after every game, see that we haven't moved around too much, and then start reading all of the whiney little bitches cry because their team isn't ranked where it should be. Crykie people, if you're a middle of the pack team, guess what, you won't be ranked all that high.

Did any of Boston ever complain because we were ranked where we were? No. Hell, we went into our game against Beer Town in 2nd place, the only other undefeated team in the eastern conference at the time. Should we have been ranked in 2nd place, (or third since it looks at both conferences), no. Just because we can adjust our play style to pull off wins doesn't mean we have the best, or 2nd best team out there.

We aren't the highest scoring team, and obviously our stats weren't exactly stellar in comparrison to other teams. Did we have huge blowouts, or a lot of shutouts, no. And this is the reason we weren't ranked higher. Did we pull off the wins, yes. But that's due to our offensive and deffensive coordinators doing their jobs and really researching our teams. Hell, look at the scare we gave Beer Town. Nobody expected the closest game they'd have to be a 1 pt game (with a missed field goal and xp on our side). But all of the credit for that close loss goes to finding their weakness and exploiting it for the almost win.

With that said, put up or shutup. Although the whining can be entertaining once the threads get some action, it's just plain annoying. If you can come up with a better ranking system than what StickMan's developed, start posting it up. Personally I want to thank StickMan for all of the time he's put into it.

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