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Originally posted by General Terms
Originally posted by Billsman

Just a heads up to those that are or will play this team.
There's one way to fight this and thats for those of us or you that are going up against this team to get together via pm's and game plan. I for one will be willing to help send their team packing. We've done it before, calling a team out, we can do it again.

i think you overestimate the power of the protest. if you recall i was one of the loudest of the mob and yet i have still come to this conclusion. it was known from the start that richmond was up to no good and yet here they sit championship bound. the admins were made aware, they responded, nothing has changed. cheattanooga got around the rules, the admins were made aware, a meaningless fine of fake money was levied, and nothing has changed. it is for exactly this reason that every time i venture into online gaming i invariably encounter some losers who follow bill clintons guide to life - take what you want morals be damned, when caught lie, and continue on with your actions regardless of what it does to anyone else. the imperfection of human kind invades even the most trivial of pursuits and so that is why myself and others will eventually quit this game i fear.

Booyeah!

Originally posted by shacky21
i have no problem with what richmond is doing, and you'd do the same if those players agreed to join you. heck some of you probably bid on those players!

Cheatanooga took 10+ players from a team that released them all at the same time, it was very shady, unrealistic, and unethical. We've been through that one and it was handled. This is very different. Unless there's something I'm missing all he's doing is signign players who are available on the FA wire through legitimate occurences.

There can be only one winner...stop the f'in whining!! This from your 0-14 competition.

Theres a reason you're an "0"fer.

Just my opinion but I feel a team shouldn't be able to reload after getting it's hand caught in the cookie jar. If you think I'm worried about facing them you're sadly mistaken, this is about the league allowing this to continue.

Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by shacky21

Originally posted by Billsman


Just a heads up to those that are or will play this team.
There's one way to fight this and thats for those of us or you that are going up against this team to get together via pm's and game plan. I for one will be willing to help send their team packing. We've done it before, calling a team out, we can do it again.

So, you're going to collude to defeat a team playing within the rules? Maybe it is you who should be banned?

What I propose is cheating? No. If GLB allows trading of banned players thats fine, many think this is very wrong for the league though. Shouldn't a banned player be just that, banned? They should be wiped out from the game and the team held accountable and punished not rewarded.

The owners were banned, the players apparently remain...thats the obvious ruling. There is no difference trading them than trading cpu or inactive players. What you propose is the collusion of teams conspiring solely to trade information to defeat one team. I really don't think the collusive activity would be very beneficial, but it is collusive.

The team was punished by having many of the owners of their players banned, and if i'm not mistaken the team owner was stripped of the team???

Actually I think the owner was never punished. He claimed innocense and was given the benefit of the doubt.

Also, I asm not sure what was proposed by Billsman was colluding in order to beat them ( although there is nothing wrong with that. Teams trade game films and notes all the time in real life ) but he is trying to organize a protest with the game admins.

I could be wrong tho.

Originally posted by Billsman
Originally posted by shacky21

i have no problem with what richmond is doing, and you'd do the same if those players agreed to join you. heck some of you probably bid on those players!

Cheatanooga took 10+ players from a team that released them all at the same time, it was very shady, unrealistic, and unethical. We've been through that one and it was handled. This is very different. Unless there's something I'm missing all he's doing is signign players who are available on the FA wire through legitimate occurences.

There can be only one winner...stop the f'in whining!! This from your 0-14 competition.

Theres a reason you're an "0"fer.

you are correct, there are reasons.

Originally posted by Lef Grebo
Actually I think the owner was never punished. He claimed innocense and was given the benefit of the doubt.

Also, I asm not sure what was proposed by Billsman was colluding in order to beat them ( although there is nothing wrong with that. Teams trade game films and notes all the time in real life ) but he is trying to organize a protest with the game admins.

I could be wrong tho.

fair, but moot. even if the team owner did not lose the team, he did lose the owners of many of his players, hence they can no longer spend their skill pts and upgrade. The admins thought that the players should remain....bitch to them if you have issue is all i'm saying.

The team owner, new or old, trading away these 'banned' players is not cheating. if they were CPU or inactive, nobody would be saying anything...there is no difference...and it is not unethical. People who say that live in glass houses because i'm sure they have dealt or tried to deal CPU and/or inactive players.

And if bills is saying 'get together and game plan' on a way to address the admins, that is not collusion, if he is saying as I read 'get together and game plan' strategies to beat the team on the field, that is collusion though i don't think it would be very effective the way the game is set up.

also, how do you know who he's traded and what he's brought in for this banned talent??? Awful presumptuous and self serving to make a statement of cheating and poor ethics when you have no idea. I'm sure he's had to shop these guys real hard to trade them, maybe as I said he dealt them to teams that have poorer players and thought the banned players were an upgrade, dealt cash for them and knew they were banned?? Have you investigated that far, or just jumped to 'ass'umptions??

Maybe all these 'ringers' were acquired through FA? Maybe some of you bid on them and lost? I know he is paying alot for them...who cares, he'll have to pay the price at some point. They are only one year deals, and maybe his plan is to get some cheap cash for those banned players...if I had a shotty team and felt they could help me I'd deal for cash for them. Heck, maybe I should look and see who's available!

Anyhow, I have no stake in the race...i'm just reading the forum and getting tired of the whining from the same parties. If it were legit, like the cheatanooga issue then I'd support it, but this is not legit and as far I can see they are doing no wrong.

Originally posted by shacky21
Originally posted by Lef Grebo

Actually I think the owner was never punished. He claimed innocense and was given the benefit of the doubt.

Also, I asm not sure what was proposed by Billsman was colluding in order to beat them ( although there is nothing wrong with that. Teams trade game films and notes all the time in real life ) but he is trying to organize a protest with the game admins.

I could be wrong tho.


The team owner, new or old, trading away these 'banned' players is not cheating. if they were CPU or inactive, nobody would be saying anything...there is no difference...and it is not unethical. People who say that live in glass houses because i'm sure they have dealt or tried to deal CPU and/or inactive players.


That's a very specific, unbelievably incorrect statement that in my estimate is only made by someone that is open to the idea of doing something as unethical as trading away banned players. Just because you're lowlife enough to think it's ok to trade banned/cpu/inactive players surely doesn't mean the rest of the world is. On the contrary, most of us find it appalling and yes, quite unethical.

Originally posted by Sinyen
Originally posted by shacky21

Originally posted by Lef Grebo


Actually I think the owner was never punished. He claimed innocense and was given the benefit of the doubt.

Also, I asm not sure what was proposed by Billsman was colluding in order to beat them ( although there is nothing wrong with that. Teams trade game films and notes all the time in real life ) but he is trying to organize a protest with the game admins.

I could be wrong tho.


The team owner, new or old, trading away these 'banned' players is not cheating. if they were CPU or inactive, nobody would be saying anything...there is no difference...and it is not unethical. People who say that live in glass houses because i'm sure they have dealt or tried to deal CPU and/or inactive players.


That's a very specific, unbelievably incorrect statement that in my estimate is only made by someone that is open to the idea of doing something as unethical as trading away banned players. Just because you're lowlife enough to think it's ok to trade banned/cpu/inactive players surely doesn't mean the rest of the world is. On the contrary, most of us find it appalling and yes, quite unethical.

that is BS and you know it. and calling me a lowlife does alot to show your maturity and that having a debate with you is pretty much worthless. None the less, I'll respond and state that I find it very hard to believe you have never tried to trade an inactive player or a cpu player. I have been in this game now for a little over a month I think, and have seen MANY offers of such. Now you can respond and say 'just because some are unethical, doesn't mean we all are' all you want. It is not unethical...it states clear as day 'inactive', 'cpu', and 'banned'. If someone sees that and agrees to a deal anyway, how is that unethical??? And if someone doesn't see it, than shame on them for not doing their homework, nothing..I repeat nothing..is hidden.

Have you ever had an ethics course? I think the reason you find it appalling is because to do so benefits your current situation in this matter, and that behavior is well...unethical. Time for a mirror check.

Originally posted by Billsrgreat
I believe this discussion can be put to rest until tonight. The Speed play the Mole Rats.

This will be a true test to see how much chemistry comes into play 15 vs. 89
(chemistry)

It will also be a good test to see whether the wits of 1 beat out the wits of 6 GM's
(gameplanning)


I have my fake money on the Mole rats winning by 2 1/2 since I believe the MoleRats have the Speed dominated in Gameplanning, and Chemistry



Well everyone else is out of town, so I guess it's 1 Wit vs. 1 Wit
I just hope I don't come out looking like a Nit Wit, lol

i'll just add one more thing....because this is an 'ethics' discussion, an area which I do have some experience.

In any business transaction, ethically the seller is required to give full disclosure, that is the most significant responsibility. Full disclosure is given here as soon as you look at the commodity! On the player card it says, "CPU, Banned, and/or Inactive" as clear as day. The car analogy I guess fits if the car you are selling has a big sign on it reading, "Repaired from Flood Damage".

There is nothing 'unethical' about what was done, that is my only stance here....and those complaining about it have agendas. Whether they want to believe it factors into their opinion or not, it is moot and 'unethical' for them to believe their opinions should be all that matters. As stated, I don't have a horse in this race at 0-14...I am new and have no connections to either party. From the outside I see alot of whining and reaching for ways to get their way.

Again, I don't know what cheating took place and why the players remained...that is the avenue you guys should be fighting....not attacking the owner of the speed for trading his players.

Originally posted by shacky21
i'll just add one more thing....because this is an 'ethics' discussion, an area which I do have some experience.

In any business transaction, ethically the seller is required to give full disclosure, that is the most significant responsibility. Full disclosure is given here as soon as you look at the commodity! On the player card it says, "CPU, Banned, and/or Inactive" as clear as day. The car analogy I guess fits if the car you are selling has a big sign on it reading, "Repaired from Flood Damage".

There is nothing 'unethical' about what was done, that is my only stance here....and those complaining about it have agendas. Whether they want to believe it factors into their opinion or not, it is moot and 'unethical' for them to believe their opinions should be all that matters. As stated, I don't have a horse in this race at 0-14...I am new and have no connections to either party. From the outside I see alot of whining and reaching for ways to get their way.

Again, I don't know what cheating took place and why the players remained...that is the avenue you guys should be fighting....not attacking the owner of the speed for trading his players.

Shacky, its always a differenet perpective when your at the bottom. 1 - 13 here. If its not one thing its another, honestly thats why I'm not a bigger part of this community. Play in the mud to long and your going to end up dirty too.

If we're speaking about Richmond's banning from the league, You have my fuill support if they cheated.

Originally posted by nottas`
Originally posted by shacky21

i'll just add one more thing....because this is an 'ethics' discussion, an area which I do have some experience.

In any business transaction, ethically the seller is required to give full disclosure, that is the most significant responsibility. Full disclosure is given here as soon as you look at the commodity! On the player card it says, "CPU, Banned, and/or Inactive" as clear as day. The car analogy I guess fits if the car you are selling has a big sign on it reading, "Repaired from Flood Damage".

There is nothing 'unethical' about what was done, that is my only stance here....and those complaining about it have agendas. Whether they want to believe it factors into their opinion or not, it is moot and 'unethical' for them to believe their opinions should be all that matters. As stated, I don't have a horse in this race at 0-14...I am new and have no connections to either party. From the outside I see alot of whining and reaching for ways to get their way.

Again, I don't know what cheating took place and why the players remained...that is the avenue you guys should be fighting....not attacking the owner of the speed for trading his players.

Shacky, its always a differenet perpective when your at the bottom. 1 - 13 here. If its not one thing its another, honestly thats why I'm not a bigger part of this community. Play in the mud to long and your going to end up dirty too.

I can get dirty with the best of them and don't mind it. There's a place in the forum for us guys on the bottom, and in this scenario our place is a voice of reason. I really do applaud persistence of those hoping to better the game long term and if theres an issue of long term success of this game, it should be addressed with the admins. The trading of the banned players however is not cheating or unethical...and the owner of that team should not be persecuted in this forum because of that.

I think we have a duty to be active in the forums, and state our 'opinions'. We should also welcome opinions of others with an open mind.