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Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by mmuhr

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Unless you dont want vision to be higher than jumping...


Interesting concept ...

i love when ppl begin to think "outside of the box"


What box? there is no box to think outside of. I have been building and studying corners since season 2. There isn't any box I haven't thought of or outside of.

Vision and super vision are how corners get in place to make a play for jumping to even start to matter. All my level 33 corners have 40 jumping. They will probably get no more.(that was just enough to get ball hawk) you're not going to revolutionize glb by pumping jumping before vision. My corners will probably always outshine yours. Jumping isn't worth a shit really. I don't know how it got ingrained in people's heads that jumping was better than vision. The end result if you pump jumping first is lower vision.

The end result if you pump jumping after vision is higher vision and jumping isn't all that anyway so who cares? and you will be a better corner back with higher vision.

The day I start consistently seeing receivers with 60+ jumping is the day I'll worry about jumping. Until then receivers are a cookie cut mold easy to defend. They have massive speed and hardly any jumping at ALL until they reach higher levels. And if you think I am worried about a random possession receiver with 70 jumping, who couldn't get open on me in the first place, then forget you.

No doubt about it.

You're just stupid.
Edited by UnderDogs on May 24, 2009 19:21:10
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Originally posted by Granted86
i pumped jumping pretty high on JG BEFORE vision was at 61 and it worked out GREAT for me ...


Really how so? My S.S. has more INT's in AAA with 40 jumping.

Explain to me how jumping is working out "great" for you.
Edited by UnderDogs on May 24, 2009 19:26:18
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Granted86

i pumped jumping pretty high on JG BEFORE vision was at 61 and it worked out GREAT for me ...


Really how so? My S.S. has more INT's in AAA with 40 jumping.

Explain to me how jumping is working out "great" for you.


UD Im proud of you ... Your SS Who DOESNT play One one One coverage on EVERY play he is on the field has more INTS ...

Wats your point tho?

EDIT

i just realized your SS plays in Africa AAA ... hows the competition there? LMAO ... talk to me when your player is in a competitive league
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Edited by Granted86 on May 24, 2009 19:54:07
 
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Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by Granted86


i pumped jumping pretty high on JG BEFORE vision was at 61 and it worked out GREAT for me ...


Really how so? My S.S. has more INT's in AAA with 40 jumping.

Explain to me how jumping is working out "great" for you.


UD Im proud of you ... Your SS Who DOESNT play One one One coverage on EVERY play he is on the field has more INTS ...

Wats your point tho?

EDIT

i just realized your SS plays in Africa AAA ... hows the competition there? LMAO ... talk to me when your player is in a competitive league


Reality check?
Eastern Europe AAA is a joke. Africa AAA is more competitive. you have had 4 games where you could have Wracked up stats in blow outs almost 255 a piece. we have had 1 game.

But it's not an argument about who is in the more competitive league.

It's about your "jumping" helping you. Which it clearly isn't.
Edited by UnderDogs on May 24, 2009 20:04:49
 
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Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by mmuhr

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Unless you dont want vision to be higher than jumping...


Interesting concept ...

i love when ppl begin to think "outside of the box"


Well after getting UD all fired up over nothing...let me just say I actually never would take jumping higher than vision. Like UD, I think jumping is overrated. So is vision, but not quite as much. Id never spend points taking jumping over 48. Catching on the other hand....

I guess I'm still thinking outside the box though because everyone hates catching and loves jumping. Still love me? Both of you? Thought so!
 
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Originally posted by mmuhr
Originally posted by Granted86

Originally posted by mmuhr


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Unless you dont want vision to be higher than jumping...


Interesting concept ...

i love when ppl begin to think "outside of the box"


Well after getting UD all fired up over nothing...let me just say I actually never would take jumping higher than vision. Like UD, I think jumping is overrated. So is vision, but not quite as much. Id never spend points taking jumping over 48. Catching on the other hand....

I guess I'm still thinking outside the box though because everyone hates catching and loves jumping. Still love me? Both of you? Thought so!


Didn't i get you on the catching is better than jumping train?

But Vision is not to be underhanded. Vision is king for a corner. Super vision is the best for them.
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs


My corners will probably always outshine yours. Jumping isn't worth a shit really. I don't know how it got ingrained in people's heads that jumping was better than vision.



You are a real ignorant dude UD ...

Your corners can outshine all they want i could care less ... teams dont throw at JG alot anymore ... there are many reasons for that and JUMPING is ONE of them

also i never said jumping was better than vision, or that vision was better than jumping ... but i have ALWAYS said that JUMPING is MUCH BETTER THAN CATCHING for a CB
 
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yes, you did get me hooked on catching!
a little bit.
Vision though, I mean its good at 60, but I have yet to be convinced there is a difference between a 60vis 7SV corner and a 68vis 10sv corner.
 
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Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by UnderDogs



My corners will probably always outshine yours. Jumping isn't worth a shit really. I don't know how it got ingrained in people's heads that jumping was better than vision.



You are a real ignorant dude UD ...

Your corners can outshine all they want i could care less ... teams dont throw at JG alot anymore ... there are many reasons for that and JUMPING is ONE of them

also i never said jumping was better than vision, or that vision was better than jumping ... but i have ALWAYS said that JUMPING is MUCH BETTER THAN CATCHING for a CB


no it's because you play weak competition. Like I said you have blown out 4 teams 255-0 or close to it. and about 4 more you slaughtered by at least 100. And you want to talk about competitive?
 
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Originally posted by mmuhr
yes, you did get me hooked on catching!
a little bit.
Vision though, I mean its good at 60, but I have yet to be convinced there is a difference between a 60vis 7SV corner and a 68vis 10sv corner.


Big big difference.
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Granted86

Originally posted by UnderDogs


Originally posted by Granted86



i pumped jumping pretty high on JG BEFORE vision was at 61 and it worked out GREAT for me ...


Really how so? My S.S. has more INT's in AAA with 40 jumping.

Explain to me how jumping is working out "great" for you.


UD Im proud of you ... Your SS Who DOESNT play One one One coverage on EVERY play he is on the field has more INTS ...

Wats your point tho?

EDIT

i just realized your SS plays in Africa AAA ... hows the competition there? LMAO ... talk to me when your player is in a competitive league


Reality check?
you have had 4 games where you could have Wracked up stats in blow outs almost 255 a piece. we have had 1 game.

But it's not an argument about who is in the more competitive league.

It's about your "jumping" helping you. Which it clearly isn't.


you judge based on stats which is wrong to begin with ...

i watch replays and watch how productive WRs are when JG is on the field ... stats for a CB come from when a QB throws the ball to a WR ... but if a team doesnt throw the ball to his side of the field he wont get stats ... but neither does the WR, i hope you can understand this concept ...

you are too ignorant to see past your own beliefs UD ...

Originally posted by UnderDogs

Eastern Europe AAA is a joke. Africa AAA is more competitive.


... this alone is proof of that
 
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Originally posted by Granted86

you judge based on stats which is wrong to begin with ...

i watch replays and watch how productive WRs are when JG is on the field ... stats for a CB come from when a QB throws the ball to a WR ... but if a team doesnt throw the ball to his side of the field he wont get stats ... but neither does the WR, i hope you can understand this concept ...

you are too ignorant to see past your own beliefs UD ...



You have got to be joking. please take 5 seconds and look over your schedule so far this season. you have blown out at least 7-8 teams by 100 or more. 4 of those by 200+ If your corner was any good he would have more than 1 int.

Jumping doesn't need to be worked on before vision. What's your corners vision and super vision? If it isn't at least 68/10 I strongly suggest raising them to that a.s.a.p.

I am making a point to not raise jumping on my corners. I am also making it a point not to even train jumping on my level 24. He has 17 jumping right now. I don't plan on ever raising it or training it till later.

Edited by UnderDogs on May 24, 2009 20:31:00
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
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you judge based on stats which is wrong to begin with ...

i watch replays and watch how productive WRs are when JG is on the field ... stats for a CB come from when a QB throws the ball to a WR ... but if a team doesnt throw the ball to his side of the field he wont get stats ... but neither does the WR, i hope you can understand this concept ...

you are too ignorant to see past your own beliefs UD ...



You have got to be joking. please take 5 seconds and look over your schedule so far this season. you have blown out at least 7-8 teams by 100 or more. 4 of those by 200+ If your corner was any good he would have more than 1 int.

Jumping doesn't need to be worked on before vision. What's your corners vision and super vision? If it isn't at least 68/10 I strongly suggest raising them to that a.s.a.p.

I am making a point to not raise jumping on my corners. I am also making it a point not to even train jumping on my level 24. He has 17 jumping right now. I don't plan on ever raising it or training it till later.



lol UD ... your ignorance really does blind you ...
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Granted86


you judge based on stats which is wrong to begin with ...

i watch replays and watch how productive WRs are when JG is on the field ... stats for a CB come from when a QB throws the ball to a WR ... but if a team doesnt throw the ball to his side of the field he wont get stats ... but neither does the WR, i hope you can understand this concept ...

you are too ignorant to see past your own beliefs UD ...



You have got to be joking. please take 5 seconds and look over your schedule so far this season. you have blown out at least 7-8 teams by 100 or more. 4 of those by 200+ If your corner was any good he would have more than 1 int.



but how does he do in those games that arent blowouts? Granted is saying he still shuts down. I doubt he watches the replays of the blowouts.

 
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Originally posted by mmuhr
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by Granted86



you judge based on stats which is wrong to begin with ...

i watch replays and watch how productive WRs are when JG is on the field ... stats for a CB come from when a QB throws the ball to a WR ... but if a team doesnt throw the ball to his side of the field he wont get stats ... but neither does the WR, i hope you can understand this concept ...

you are too ignorant to see past your own beliefs UD ...



You have got to be joking. please take 5 seconds and look over your schedule so far this season. you have blown out at least 7-8 teams by 100 or more. 4 of those by 200+ If your corner was any good he would have more than 1 int.



but how does he do in those games that arent blowouts? Granted is saying he still shuts down. I doubt he watches the replays of the blowouts.



I don't know his team is too busy leaving the HB WIDE OPEN for him to really matter.
 
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