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I'm on the fence on the issue. I understand what some are saying, but I also see the other side of it. For a brand new owner to come into a brand new league and he signs only Level 1-4 guys who are all just freshly made...he is totally f-ed to compete if he faces a bunch of teams with level 10 and up players.

But it also penalizes guys who are able to go out and land some big-time talent as well. Either way, this game is going to find themselves in a tough spot if they keep on making leagues and adding teams. There are too many teams fighting over too few players right now, so for them to add another 700 teams right away is a big mistake IMO and that's what I'm more concerned with.

Agree with that.... The supply/demand between teams and players is already skewed and is just beginning to recover from the LAST influx of new teams.

MORE teams is really going to hose things up....

Its true but think of it this way. If they create 700 new teams then they can send teams like salem who will stay at the bottom here to a new league with newer players where they can compete. Freeing up space to take the strongest teams in weak divisions and send them to us. They could level out the competition if they tried without hurting anyone. Too many newbs are pusing the staff in the wrong direction though. Crybabies hurt everyone.

Originally posted by Nike-Joe
Payton, I think that defeats the point of enabling teams to move up and down. A team that moves up will be be inferior to the other teams in the new league and will likely be sent packing right back down. It would take a few seasons to catch up once you could expand your stadium. And what happens to the team with the now too big stadium? What you are saying is functionally similarly to a salary cap. So I don't support it.

You have too look at how pro soccer leagues do it. If a team sucks, the fans stop showing up, the revenue drops, they can't afford players, they get sent down. If a lower team is riding a wave of momentum, they can add good players, expand the stadium, long before they actually move up. A team like the LA Galaxy can spend cash to get a guy like Beckham to tryin to improve their franchise and league. Rich owners can invest in their teams.

That is all part of the game. And that is why some teams are bad and some are good.

I mean, there were people on the main board thread on this complaining that it wasn't fair that teams who had owners that had more time than them to recruit had better teams. Well shit, if owners who put more time into their teams can't have better teams, what is the point of all this?

I agree with the last part of what you say.... If you have more time to be better, why shouldn't you be better???

The stadium cap won't send teams right back down if the difference isn't THAT huge.... Say our BBB leagues can only have the lower bowl and the A leagues can add upper deck sidelines and the AA can add more onto the upper-deck, etc.

You couple that with basic economics of sports (which isn't functioning in this game right now) that fans don't show up to watch sh!tty teams, and it works....

The team moving up may start with a smaller stadium than most of the other teams in the next league up, BUT they currently have a fanatic fanbase that is supporting the team and packing the stadium. Meanwhile the teams that are dropping down may very well have a larger stadium but can't get butts in the seats because they aren't winning.

If that one part of the game can be fine-tuned I think the rest will fall into place.

Either way the cap on player levels depending on leagues is horrendously stupid. Sign who you want IF you can afford them I say.

Originally posted by Payton3434
Either way the cap on player levels depending on leagues is horrendously stupid. Sign who you want IF you can afford them I say.

I don't agree with that. In the leagues that come up in the next season should not be able to sign really high levels. Cause what it comes down to is people buying teams are basically just waiting with a group of players that are going to destroy a majority of the league when they get a new team. Like DVSmith30, he has a good core of players that if he left the Massacre next season and took just his players he would have an advantage over many of the new teams. The more seasons it goes the worse it is going to get for any expansion leagues. So I think a level cap of maybe 8 is the limit for any new league. And that should only last through the first season. Cause some owners look at the players of the other teams when they come in and it is hard to expand your team when just starting unless you have a good group of player/friends that want to come help. So they get discouraged and noone signs with them, making it so they can't really compete.

I believe this builds somewhat on Payton's point.

I think the real problem is that there is nothing in this game, like there is in real life to prevent great players from playing at low levels. Peyton manning isn't going to up and leave the Colts (pro league) to play on the real life equivalent of a BBB league. The main reason for this is the money these teams can offer him.

So, if the lower level teams are more poor, they won't be able to effectively sign high level players. The fact that Pro teams and BBB teams in this game have comparable resources is the root of the problem.

Team with the best record in the USA Pro League: 2.7 mill.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=18

Manhattan and New B are both at 1.9 mill.

Lower level leagues should make less money, then they will not be able to sign extremely high levels.

Just a really quick question.

As far as fan support how are you guys doing? The Manhattan Massacre at 13-1 have Low Income - 100% Medium Income - 60% and High Income - 27%

We're at 99 Low 85 Medium 36 High

I don't think putting level caps on the leagues is the smart thing to do here.

The smart thing to do, IMO, is to make this entire game ONE big pyramid style of leagues. You start with a team at the bottom and if you are good enough you move up.

They should also double the promotion/delegation of teams for now. If 4 went up and 8 went down, that means EVERY team who misses the playoffs gets demoted and it makes the leagues more competitive.

I know that sucks for rivalries and whatnot, but they could easily cut it back in half 4-5 seasons down the road when things balance themselves out. Right now rivalries are not nearly as important to most people.

If they took every league and made it pyramid down and doubled the relegation rates for a few seasons, the lower teams would sink, the higher teams would rise and no one would be stuck playing against teams that have absolutely no chance of beating in 4-5 seasons. However, too many people have bitched about them eliminating the "Regions" for them to do it. As someone else mentioned, Bort is trying to hard to please everyone which is just flat out impossible, but it is a lesson he has to learn.

There are currently 64 leagues, not counting the CPU controlled D-Leagues, which would also go into my pyramid system.

At the absolute least, they need to link everything somehow in a nice neat system where every region is included....I have absolutely no idea where NFL players that don't get drafted play at(I'm assuming the CFL), but i'd set it up as something like...

USA Pro(1 league) > CFL(2 leagues) > Random Foreign Area(4 leagues) > Yet Another Foreign Region(8 Leagues) > College Leagues(16 Leagues) and so on and so forth

Anything they do here is going to be difficult, but I truly think that the most important thing is that every bad team in the game should sink to one level of leagues and every good team should rise to a smaller level of leagues. As of right now, teams dominating the Canadian Pro League will continue to do so and teams getting their asses handed to them in the USA BBB Leagues will continue to do so. Level capping or Salary capping will only continue to hurt the teams who are losing.

Originally posted by Malakias
We're at 99 Low 85 Medium 36 High

I don't think putting level caps on the leagues is the smart thing to do here.

The smart thing to do, IMO, is to make this entire game ONE big pyramid style of leagues. You start with a team at the bottom and if you are good enough you move up.

They should also double the promotion/delegation of teams for now. If 4 went up and 8 went down, that means EVERY team who misses the playoffs gets demoted and it makes the leagues more competitive.

I know that sucks for rivalries and whatnot, but they could easily cut it back in half 4-5 seasons down the road when things balance themselves out. Right now rivalries are not nearly as important to most people.

If they took every league and made it pyramid down and doubled the relegation rates for a few seasons, the lower teams would sink, the higher teams would rise and no one would be stuck playing against teams that have absolutely no chance of beating in 4-5 seasons. However, too many people have bitched about them eliminating the "Regions" for them to do it. As someone else mentioned, Bort is trying to hard to please everyone which is just flat out impossible, but it is a lesson he has to learn.

There are currently 64 leagues, not counting the CPU controlled D-Leagues, which would also go into my pyramid system.

At the absolute least, they need to link everything somehow in a nice neat system where every region is included....I have absolutely no idea where NFL players that don't get drafted play at(I'm assuming the CFL), but i'd set it up as something like...

USA Pro(1 league) > CFL(2 leagues) > Random Foreign Area(4 leagues) > Yet Another Foreign Region(8 Leagues) > College Leagues(16 Leagues) and so on and so forth

Anything they do here is going to be difficult, but I truly think that the most important thing is that every bad team in the game should sink to one level of leagues and every good team should rise to a smaller level of leagues. As of right now, teams dominating the Canadian Pro League will continue to do so and teams getting their asses handed to them in the USA BBB Leagues will continue to do so. Level capping or Salary capping will only continue to hurt the teams who are losing.

I agree with this. I think a little more aggressive promotion/delegation is a better idea for making things more competitive right now, and then ease back after season 3.

The Wala Wala fan support is
100% low income
100% middle
56% rich snobby fuckers.

Because teams can move up and down like this every year based on performance they'll never truly find a happy medium that suits everyone IMO. That and it's human nature to bitch about things. No matter what the change is, people will bitch.

very very very true griz.

Originally posted by griz
That and it's human nature to bitch about things. No matter what the change is, people will bitch.


Amen


I've read thru the posts here and although Nike does bring up a few good points I hadn't considered (waiting list on team purchases, friends getting together, etc) I still don't feel it's a bad idea. Of course I would much rather Bort work on implementing new game features like the 3-4 D or enhanced play calling than deal with this, because there is no way to make everyone happy on this issue

Beer, whores, AND wisdom. Even if you don't win the league, you are already champions in my mind.

8-6

Low Income - 65
Medium Income - 20
High Income - 4

Embarrassing in comparison, but I appreciated the info.

I agree with the moving more teams up and more teams down crowd. Add in a level cap especially for new teams (say 12) and it seems to hold together.

I agree that the level cap is stupid, at last the way they are implement ing. And I agree they should redo the whole games structure of leagues into one big pyramid. But i do think a level cap is probably neccasary eventually. They seem determined to grow the game and let everyone who wants it to be able to won a team. Just looking at our league speceficly, my DT Kaythan is one of the most dominating players in the entire league, that's not really bragging, it is just based on stats. He started this season on level 9, and me and Payton worked our butts off and signed players, plus us and Griz both came from a message board with at least hundreds of members as a pool to draw from. Now imagine next year, or even season 5 or 6 or whatever; what if a new guy buys a team as his first and has no players of his own. He recruits as many people as he cn, but with things even more diluted than they are now, he may be lucky to have a 1/2 human roster of low level guys at the start of a season. Now imagine me and Wayne Long and a few of the other guys who are level 20 or higher by then decide we are sick of our crappy owners and want to start our own team, and play against that new team...

I could probably fill a team out with CPU's, one level 16 QB, one level 16 WR, one level 16ish RB, and my DT and LB, and we wouldn't have much of a problem beating a team with half CPU's and half low level humans. What if Griz pulls a New Jersey Boys and goes completely inactive, and his whole undefeated team decides they want to stay together so they jump ship to the only new team they can buy...

A level cap will need to be added, because even if that situation would take care of itself eventually, at least in the short term it will ruin the game for a lot of new people. Maybe make a second develpmental league for human owner teams with a level cap, and double the number of teams promoted every season. Then add new teams to each level of the pyramid every year, with them only available to purchase by an owner who already has one of his own players at the level of the appropriate league...? Another thing that would help, would be for all contracts to be through the season, none of this contracts expiring in the middle of the season garbage. Maybe a 4 or 5 day indow between seasons to sign any free agents, then after that the cpu randomly assigns your team to an appropriate league... Scrap the promotion and relegation system completely. Sure it will kill rivalries, but it would give you a full season of meaningful games every season. Or maybe somehow a combination of all of these ideas.