I wonder if jumping could be included as well? Maybe that could be like footwork, lower body strength, and explosiveness? I'm just guessing here of course...but it makes sense.
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Originally posted by Slightly Hyphy
I wonder if jumping could be included as well? Maybe that could be like footwork, lower body strength, and explosiveness? I'm just guessing here of course...but it makes sense.
jumping helps with passes defensed and seems to increase tackling radius. I'm not so sure about sack radius, and I didn't notice any significant improvement on my DT that I took from 35 to 50 jumping.
IMO: 30 - 35 jumping at higher levels is good enough to get you PDs, and there is little to no benefit from taking it higher than that.
I wonder if jumping could be included as well? Maybe that could be like footwork, lower body strength, and explosiveness? I'm just guessing here of course...but it makes sense.
jumping helps with passes defensed and seems to increase tackling radius. I'm not so sure about sack radius, and I didn't notice any significant improvement on my DT that I took from 35 to 50 jumping.
IMO: 30 - 35 jumping at higher levels is good enough to get you PDs, and there is little to no benefit from taking it higher than that.
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by Slightly Hyphy
I wonder if jumping could be included as well? Maybe that could be like footwork, lower body strength, and explosiveness? I'm just guessing here of course...but it makes sense.
jumping helps with passes defensed and seems to increase tackling radius. I'm not so sure about sack radius, and I didn't notice any significant improvement on my DT that I took from 35 to 50 jumping.
IMO: 30 - 35 jumping at higher levels is good enough to get you PDs, and there is little to no benefit from taking it higher than that.
I agree, I raised jumping in an attempt to turn hurries into sacks and haven't seen any benifit. Good old fashion spd is the answer there.
Originally posted by Slightly Hyphy
I wonder if jumping could be included as well? Maybe that could be like footwork, lower body strength, and explosiveness? I'm just guessing here of course...but it makes sense.
jumping helps with passes defensed and seems to increase tackling radius. I'm not so sure about sack radius, and I didn't notice any significant improvement on my DT that I took from 35 to 50 jumping.
IMO: 30 - 35 jumping at higher levels is good enough to get you PDs, and there is little to no benefit from taking it higher than that.
I agree, I raised jumping in an attempt to turn hurries into sacks and haven't seen any benifit. Good old fashion spd is the answer there.
Edited by Dudly on May 16, 2009 08:35:44
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Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
He never once said vision helps sheds a block.
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
He never once said vision helps sheds a block.
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Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
lol where have you been?
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
lol where have you been?
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
Yeah, but he doesn't tell you how much. He also says agility and SAs in the same sentence like agility, vision, and SAs all have an equal part in shedding the blocks.
I still say strength and agility are 5X more important in shedding blocks than vision.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if tackling was involved in the shed block equation.
Agreed on all points, and I have wondered the same about the bolded part.
Someday I may write a thread ..."The fine art of translating clues dropped by Bort."
He is actually pretty consistent in his communication style, and if you read all of his threads, you pick up quite a bit between the lines. But it is a bit like translating Alan Greenspan's remarks
Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
Yeah, but he doesn't tell you how much. He also says agility and SAs in the same sentence like agility, vision, and SAs all have an equal part in shedding the blocks.
I still say strength and agility are 5X more important in shedding blocks than vision.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if tackling was involved in the shed block equation.
Agreed on all points, and I have wondered the same about the bolded part.
Someday I may write a thread ..."The fine art of translating clues dropped by Bort."
He is actually pretty consistent in his communication style, and if you read all of his threads, you pick up quite a bit between the lines. But it is a bit like translating Alan Greenspan's remarks
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
He never once said vision helps sheds a block.
Originally posted by DigitalDaggers
Strength - Important for all lineman. Helps you break tackles and hit hard. Also helps you to throw, kick, and punt a little farther.
Speed - How fast you move. If you want to score, speed is recommended. Helps Defenders catch up for tackles too!
Vision - Did you see that hole open to the left? Can you see the goalposts? Vision helps ALL players know what is going on around them. It is very important for QBs "threading the needle" with passes. It's also sort of the "6th sense" of predicting what your opponent is going to do when blocking or trying to break blocks. It also plays a role in avoiding penalties like false start and offsides.
Kicking - How well you can kick the ball for field goals and point after attempts. Helps determine accuracy and distance.
Throwing - If you want to hit your receivers in stride and not throw picks you'll want a high throwing value.
Punting - How well you can punt the ball to your opponents. If you want good field position you'll want a good punter. Having a good punting skill will help punts go further with more hang time.
Stamina - The better your stamina the more you'll get on the field. Higher stamina players get tired more slowly, and will play better as a result.
Catching - You'll need this if you are planning on catching any touchdowns or snagging any picks. "Hands of stone" syndrome? Up your catching.
Jumping - Need to lay out for a pass? Want to gain an couple extra yards on defense? Plan on swatting that ball away? Jumping is crucial to all of those things. It is also important when making diving tackles and diving for yardage when carrying the ball.
Agility - How fast your player can adjust their movement. If you want to dodge a tackle or head past a blocker you'll want high agility. Important for any player who needs to turn quickly...Lineman as well as speedsters. Agility also determines acceleration. You can have all the speed in the world, but without agility, you won't ever reach that top speed.
Confidence - Just throw 3 interceptions in a row? Missed a tackle? It doesn't matter if you have enough confidence to dust yourself off and keep going. Helps your player's will bend but not break.
Blocking - If you plan running any kind of offense you're going to need plenty of good blockers. Blocking helps your player to keep his target occupied longer. For defensive players, knowing how to block helps you know how to shed blocks a little easier.
Carrying - Don't want to fumble the ball? You better practice your holding ability. The better your Carrying skill, the less you will lose the ball from a good hit. Carrying will also help you make moves to avoid or break tackles.
Tackling - Tired of sloppy arm tackles? Well boost your tackling skill and wrap those ball carriers up! Tackling is a solid foundation for any defender.
Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
He never once said vision helps sheds a block.
Originally posted by DigitalDaggers
Strength - Important for all lineman. Helps you break tackles and hit hard. Also helps you to throw, kick, and punt a little farther.
Speed - How fast you move. If you want to score, speed is recommended. Helps Defenders catch up for tackles too!
Vision - Did you see that hole open to the left? Can you see the goalposts? Vision helps ALL players know what is going on around them. It is very important for QBs "threading the needle" with passes. It's also sort of the "6th sense" of predicting what your opponent is going to do when blocking or trying to break blocks. It also plays a role in avoiding penalties like false start and offsides.
Kicking - How well you can kick the ball for field goals and point after attempts. Helps determine accuracy and distance.
Throwing - If you want to hit your receivers in stride and not throw picks you'll want a high throwing value.
Punting - How well you can punt the ball to your opponents. If you want good field position you'll want a good punter. Having a good punting skill will help punts go further with more hang time.
Stamina - The better your stamina the more you'll get on the field. Higher stamina players get tired more slowly, and will play better as a result.
Catching - You'll need this if you are planning on catching any touchdowns or snagging any picks. "Hands of stone" syndrome? Up your catching.
Jumping - Need to lay out for a pass? Want to gain an couple extra yards on defense? Plan on swatting that ball away? Jumping is crucial to all of those things. It is also important when making diving tackles and diving for yardage when carrying the ball.
Agility - How fast your player can adjust their movement. If you want to dodge a tackle or head past a blocker you'll want high agility. Important for any player who needs to turn quickly...Lineman as well as speedsters. Agility also determines acceleration. You can have all the speed in the world, but without agility, you won't ever reach that top speed.
Confidence - Just throw 3 interceptions in a row? Missed a tackle? It doesn't matter if you have enough confidence to dust yourself off and keep going. Helps your player's will bend but not break.
Blocking - If you plan running any kind of offense you're going to need plenty of good blockers. Blocking helps your player to keep his target occupied longer. For defensive players, knowing how to block helps you know how to shed blocks a little easier.
Carrying - Don't want to fumble the ball? You better practice your holding ability. The better your Carrying skill, the less you will lose the ball from a good hit. Carrying will also help you make moves to avoid or break tackles.
Tackling - Tired of sloppy arm tackles? Well boost your tackling skill and wrap those ball carriers up! Tackling is a solid foundation for any defender.
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Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
He never once said vision helps sheds a block.
Originally posted by DigitalDaggers
Strength - Important for all lineman. Helps you break tackles and hit hard. Also helps you to throw, kick, and punt a little farther.
Speed - How fast you move. If you want to score, speed is recommended. Helps Defenders catch up for tackles too!
Vision - Did you see that hole open to the left? Can you see the goalposts? Vision helps ALL players know what is going on around them. It is very important for QBs "threading the needle" with passes. It's also sort of the "6th sense" of predicting what your opponent is going to do when blocking or trying to break blocks. It also plays a role in avoiding penalties like false start and offsides.
Kicking - How well you can kick the ball for field goals and point after attempts. Helps determine accuracy and distance.
Throwing - If you want to hit your receivers in stride and not throw picks you'll want a high throwing value.
Punting - How well you can punt the ball to your opponents. If you want good field position you'll want a good punter. Having a good punting skill will help punts go further with more hang time.
Stamina - The better your stamina the more you'll get on the field. Higher stamina players get tired more slowly, and will play better as a result.
Catching - You'll need this if you are planning on catching any touchdowns or snagging any picks. "Hands of stone" syndrome? Up your catching.
Jumping - Need to lay out for a pass? Want to gain an couple extra yards on defense? Plan on swatting that ball away? Jumping is crucial to all of those things. It is also important when making diving tackles and diving for yardage when carrying the ball.
Agility - How fast your player can adjust their movement. If you want to dodge a tackle or head past a blocker you'll want high agility. Important for any player who needs to turn quickly...Lineman as well as speedsters. Agility also determines acceleration. You can have all the speed in the world, but without agility, you won't ever reach that top speed.
Confidence - Just throw 3 interceptions in a row? Missed a tackle? It doesn't matter if you have enough confidence to dust yourself off and keep going. Helps your player's will bend but not break.
Blocking - If you plan running any kind of offense you're going to need plenty of good blockers. Blocking helps your player to keep his target occupied longer. For defensive players, knowing how to block helps you know how to shed blocks a little easier.
Carrying - Don't want to fumble the ball? You better practice your holding ability. The better your Carrying skill, the less you will lose the ball from a good hit. Carrying will also help you make moves to avoid or break tackles.
Tackling - Tired of sloppy arm tackles? Well boost your tackling skill and wrap those ball carriers up! Tackling is a solid foundation for any defender.
ANd we're back to my original point. BORT never once said vision helps shed a block.
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
He never once said vision helps sheds a block.
Originally posted by DigitalDaggers
Strength - Important for all lineman. Helps you break tackles and hit hard. Also helps you to throw, kick, and punt a little farther.
Speed - How fast you move. If you want to score, speed is recommended. Helps Defenders catch up for tackles too!
Vision - Did you see that hole open to the left? Can you see the goalposts? Vision helps ALL players know what is going on around them. It is very important for QBs "threading the needle" with passes. It's also sort of the "6th sense" of predicting what your opponent is going to do when blocking or trying to break blocks. It also plays a role in avoiding penalties like false start and offsides.
Kicking - How well you can kick the ball for field goals and point after attempts. Helps determine accuracy and distance.
Throwing - If you want to hit your receivers in stride and not throw picks you'll want a high throwing value.
Punting - How well you can punt the ball to your opponents. If you want good field position you'll want a good punter. Having a good punting skill will help punts go further with more hang time.
Stamina - The better your stamina the more you'll get on the field. Higher stamina players get tired more slowly, and will play better as a result.
Catching - You'll need this if you are planning on catching any touchdowns or snagging any picks. "Hands of stone" syndrome? Up your catching.
Jumping - Need to lay out for a pass? Want to gain an couple extra yards on defense? Plan on swatting that ball away? Jumping is crucial to all of those things. It is also important when making diving tackles and diving for yardage when carrying the ball.
Agility - How fast your player can adjust their movement. If you want to dodge a tackle or head past a blocker you'll want high agility. Important for any player who needs to turn quickly...Lineman as well as speedsters. Agility also determines acceleration. You can have all the speed in the world, but without agility, you won't ever reach that top speed.
Confidence - Just throw 3 interceptions in a row? Missed a tackle? It doesn't matter if you have enough confidence to dust yourself off and keep going. Helps your player's will bend but not break.
Blocking - If you plan running any kind of offense you're going to need plenty of good blockers. Blocking helps your player to keep his target occupied longer. For defensive players, knowing how to block helps you know how to shed blocks a little easier.
Carrying - Don't want to fumble the ball? You better practice your holding ability. The better your Carrying skill, the less you will lose the ball from a good hit. Carrying will also help you make moves to avoid or break tackles.
Tackling - Tired of sloppy arm tackles? Well boost your tackling skill and wrap those ball carriers up! Tackling is a solid foundation for any defender.
ANd we're back to my original point. BORT never once said vision helps shed a block.
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
He never once said vision helps sheds a block.
Originally posted by DigitalDaggers
Strength - Important for all lineman. Helps you break tackles and hit hard. Also helps you to throw, kick, and punt a little farther.
Speed - How fast you move. If you want to score, speed is recommended. Helps Defenders catch up for tackles too!
Vision - Did you see that hole open to the left? Can you see the goalposts? Vision helps ALL players know what is going on around them. It is very important for QBs "threading the needle" with passes. It's also sort of the "6th sense" of predicting what your opponent is going to do when blocking or trying to break blocks. It also plays a role in avoiding penalties like false start and offsides.
Kicking - How well you can kick the ball for field goals and point after attempts. Helps determine accuracy and distance.
Throwing - If you want to hit your receivers in stride and not throw picks you'll want a high throwing value.
Punting - How well you can punt the ball to your opponents. If you want good field position you'll want a good punter. Having a good punting skill will help punts go further with more hang time.
Stamina - The better your stamina the more you'll get on the field. Higher stamina players get tired more slowly, and will play better as a result.
Catching - You'll need this if you are planning on catching any touchdowns or snagging any picks. "Hands of stone" syndrome? Up your catching.
Jumping - Need to lay out for a pass? Want to gain an couple extra yards on defense? Plan on swatting that ball away? Jumping is crucial to all of those things. It is also important when making diving tackles and diving for yardage when carrying the ball.
Agility - How fast your player can adjust their movement. If you want to dodge a tackle or head past a blocker you'll want high agility. Important for any player who needs to turn quickly...Lineman as well as speedsters. Agility also determines acceleration. You can have all the speed in the world, but without agility, you won't ever reach that top speed.
Confidence - Just throw 3 interceptions in a row? Missed a tackle? It doesn't matter if you have enough confidence to dust yourself off and keep going. Helps your player's will bend but not break.
Blocking - If you plan running any kind of offense you're going to need plenty of good blockers. Blocking helps your player to keep his target occupied longer. For defensive players, knowing how to block helps you know how to shed blocks a little easier.
Carrying - Don't want to fumble the ball? You better practice your holding ability. The better your Carrying skill, the less you will lose the ball from a good hit. Carrying will also help you make moves to avoid or break tackles.
Tackling - Tired of sloppy arm tackles? Well boost your tackling skill and wrap those ball carriers up! Tackling is a solid foundation for any defender.
ANd we're back to my original point. BORT never once said vision helps shed a block.
Also incorrect, but I will not bother to track down the several threads where he alluded to it...the salient point is that it doesn't help terribly much. Also true of blocking.
Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Kayoh
VISION? REALLY?
Now VISION helps you to shed blocks?
What the hell.
He never once said vision helps sheds a block.
Originally posted by DigitalDaggers
Strength - Important for all lineman. Helps you break tackles and hit hard. Also helps you to throw, kick, and punt a little farther.
Speed - How fast you move. If you want to score, speed is recommended. Helps Defenders catch up for tackles too!
Vision - Did you see that hole open to the left? Can you see the goalposts? Vision helps ALL players know what is going on around them. It is very important for QBs "threading the needle" with passes. It's also sort of the "6th sense" of predicting what your opponent is going to do when blocking or trying to break blocks. It also plays a role in avoiding penalties like false start and offsides.
Kicking - How well you can kick the ball for field goals and point after attempts. Helps determine accuracy and distance.
Throwing - If you want to hit your receivers in stride and not throw picks you'll want a high throwing value.
Punting - How well you can punt the ball to your opponents. If you want good field position you'll want a good punter. Having a good punting skill will help punts go further with more hang time.
Stamina - The better your stamina the more you'll get on the field. Higher stamina players get tired more slowly, and will play better as a result.
Catching - You'll need this if you are planning on catching any touchdowns or snagging any picks. "Hands of stone" syndrome? Up your catching.
Jumping - Need to lay out for a pass? Want to gain an couple extra yards on defense? Plan on swatting that ball away? Jumping is crucial to all of those things. It is also important when making diving tackles and diving for yardage when carrying the ball.
Agility - How fast your player can adjust their movement. If you want to dodge a tackle or head past a blocker you'll want high agility. Important for any player who needs to turn quickly...Lineman as well as speedsters. Agility also determines acceleration. You can have all the speed in the world, but without agility, you won't ever reach that top speed.
Confidence - Just throw 3 interceptions in a row? Missed a tackle? It doesn't matter if you have enough confidence to dust yourself off and keep going. Helps your player's will bend but not break.
Blocking - If you plan running any kind of offense you're going to need plenty of good blockers. Blocking helps your player to keep his target occupied longer. For defensive players, knowing how to block helps you know how to shed blocks a little easier.
Carrying - Don't want to fumble the ball? You better practice your holding ability. The better your Carrying skill, the less you will lose the ball from a good hit. Carrying will also help you make moves to avoid or break tackles.
Tackling - Tired of sloppy arm tackles? Well boost your tackling skill and wrap those ball carriers up! Tackling is a solid foundation for any defender.
ANd we're back to my original point. BORT never once said vision helps shed a block.
Also incorrect, but I will not bother to track down the several threads where he alluded to it...the salient point is that it doesn't help terribly much. Also true of blocking.
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Originally posted by Digital Daggers
Vision - It's also sort of the "6th sense" of predicting what your opponent is going to do when ... trying to break blocks.
It's right there. Almost nothing is ever given away in black and white. Also, these things are equations and we have no idea on how they are calculated.
Vision could have a straight 2% value in the equation
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It may be before each block/shed block roll, there is a vision check to see how each player does on their "6th sense" of predicting what the other will do. Whoever has the higher score on the vision check then gets a small bonus on that block - break block roll.
Edited by Rage Kinard on May 18, 2009 00:56:26
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