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You know, there are some reasonably legitimate issues with d-line...but the examples above of lop-sided min-maxed builds that suffer dramatically from massive holes in their attributes simply don't advance the argument.

It is this sort of thread that keeps the issue from being addressed, in fact.

Bort sees folks with these lopsided builds "whining" and thinks to himself, they are just using crap builds.


This thread does nothing to help the cause of DEs.

Originally posted by tautology


You know, there are some reasonably legitimate issues with d-line...but the examples above of lop-sdied min-maxed builds that suffer dramatically from massive holes in their attributes simply don't advance the argument.

It is this sort of thread that keeps the issue from being addressed, in fact.

Bort sees folks with these lopsided builds "whining" and thinks to himself, they are just using crap builds.


This thread does nothing to help the cause of DEs.

I like how your DT + DE lvl 49 have 0 combined sacks, yet you enjoy how the are as is in GLB

I'm retiring 5 DE's for sure and maybe 3 DT's. There is really no point in keeping them.

Originally posted by britdevine316
Originally posted by tautology



You know, there are some reasonably legitimate issues with d-line...but the examples above of lop-sdied min-maxed builds that suffer dramatically from massive holes in their attributes simply don't advance the argument.

It is this sort of thread that keeps the issue from being addressed, in fact.

Bort sees folks with these lopsided builds "whining" and thinks to himself, they are just using crap builds.


This thread does nothing to help the cause of DEs.

I like how your DT + DE lvl 49 have 0 combined sacks, yet you enjoy how the are as is in GLB


I like how you whine and complain, while I find my D-line's performance to be generally fine.

As I said, in case you failed at reading comprehension, there are some legitimate issues.

The examples provided are not aiding the argument, but rather detracting from it.

Bort does not want builds such as the ones posted to have the dominance that some folks seem to think should occur from maxing certain attributes and putting absolutely nothing into others.


If you don't get that, then I can't really help you.

Show examples of high quality balanced DEs (LJ or Reggie White for instance) that are getting shut down, and you will be making a much stronger case.

And for the record, my DEs and DTs on MPHD have 7 sacks combined:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4392


You may have been looking at DEs that play special teams only, or my NT who is way too slow to get sacks.

Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by britdevine316

Originally posted by tautology




You know, there are some reasonably legitimate issues with d-line...but the examples above of lop-sdied min-maxed builds that suffer dramatically from massive holes in their attributes simply don't advance the argument.

It is this sort of thread that keeps the issue from being addressed, in fact.

Bort sees folks with these lopsided builds "whining" and thinks to himself, they are just using crap builds.


This thread does nothing to help the cause of DEs.

I like how your DT + DE lvl 49 have 0 combined sacks, yet you enjoy how the are as is in GLB


I like how you whine and complain, while I find my D-line's performance to be generally fine.

As I said, in case you failed at reading comprehension, there are some legitimate issues.

The examples provided are not aiding the argument, but rather detracting from it.

Bort does not want builds such as the ones posted to have the dominance that some folks seem to think should occur from maxing certain attributes and putting absolutely nothing into others.


If you don't get that, then I can't really help you.

Show examples of high quality balanced DEs (LJ or Reggie White for instance) that are getting shut down, and you will be making a much stronger case.


I'd actually like multiple different sorts of builds to be viable.

Stronger DEs would obviously be better at containment and stopping the run, but they'd lack the Speed and footwork to rush the passer.
Faster and more agile DEs would be better at pinning their ears back and putting pressure on the QB, but would be far less effective at stopping the running game.
And balanced would be good at both, but not as good as their more specialized counterparts.

Specialization is pretty common theme in football, and we should be trying as best we can to accommodate that concept, which is why I hate all this talk of "Well you should balance your other stats, it's more realistic!"

Also, realism aside, having more options is just flat out more fun than only having one viable route to success.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=785700

AE adds a 14% chance to break block on top of that.

Thinking about it, yeah I understand his vision is only 40 but how in the hell does that build only get 5 tackles, no sacks, and 1 hurry?

Originally posted by Maddoc
Originally posted by tautology

Originally posted by britdevine316


Originally posted by tautology





You know, there are some reasonably legitimate issues with d-line...but the examples above of lop-sdied min-maxed builds that suffer dramatically from massive holes in their attributes simply don't advance the argument.

It is this sort of thread that keeps the issue from being addressed, in fact.

Bort sees folks with these lopsided builds "whining" and thinks to himself, they are just using crap builds.


This thread does nothing to help the cause of DEs.

I like how your DT + DE lvl 49 have 0 combined sacks, yet you enjoy how the are as is in GLB


I like how you whine and complain, while I find my D-line's performance to be generally fine.

As I said, in case you failed at reading comprehension, there are some legitimate issues.

The examples provided are not aiding the argument, but rather detracting from it.

Bort does not want builds such as the ones posted to have the dominance that some folks seem to think should occur from maxing certain attributes and putting absolutely nothing into others.


If you don't get that, then I can't really help you.

Show examples of high quality balanced DEs (LJ or Reggie White for instance) that are getting shut down, and you will be making a much stronger case.


I'd actually like multiple different sorts of builds to be viable.

Stronger DEs would obviously be better at containment and stopping the run, but they'd lack the Speed and footwork to rush the passer.
Faster and more agile DEs would be better at pinning their ears back and putting pressure on the QB, but would be far less effective at stopping the running game.
And balanced would be good at both, but not as good as their more specialized counterparts.

Specialization is pretty common theme in football, and we should be trying as best we can to accommodate that concept, which is why I hate all this talk of "Well you should balance your other stats, it's more realistic!"

I don't disagree conceptually. But I do think that it is silly for anyone to think a mid level 40 players with vision in the 20's should be good at *anything.*

Vision and confidence in the cellar detract from performance. Put those at a reasonable 48 with crazy athleticism, and you have an "unbalanced build" that actually performs pretty well if inconsistently (or should, at least).

Anyone ever thought that maybe this part of the sim is becoming more realistic,10-15 sacks is a very good year in the nfl,or would people rather just have madden results on here.

Originally posted by cdnsooner
Anyone ever thought that maybe this part of the sim is becoming more realistic,10-15 sacks is a very good year in the nfl,or would people rather just have madden results on here.

QB's and HB's already get Madden results.

Originally posted by cdnsooner
Anyone ever thought that maybe this part of the sim is becoming more realistic,10-15 sacks is a very good year in the nfl,or would people rather just have madden results on here.

There are a lot of HBs averaging 15 Yards per carry right now.

I agree but maybe they are working on one area at a time.

Originally posted by cdnsooner
Anyone ever thought that maybe this part of the sim is becoming more realistic,10-15 sacks is a very good year in the nfl,or would people rather just have madden results on here.

GLB is not the NFL. Do running backs run for 200 yards a game in the NFL? If realism is the goal, it needs to be consistent.

Originally posted by cdnsooner
I agree but maybe they are working on one area at a time.

Yeah, they keep working on the offense every season...