Warrior General Games

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Originally posted by tjsexy82

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma


Did you forget that agility and tackling are primaries? How high did you spend on str?

slow build ftw

For the win?

A slow build's goals generally include optimizing level gains. Spending 18 SP to push str from 77 to 80 is a waste if half of that could be used to cap agility.

Sorry but you fail. The auto level gains I get are worth more than if I had cut off strength and capped a different attribute. You realize I have been effectively gaining 6SP each time I level right? Optimize that.

You can question whether it's worth anything to take strength that high, but don't fuck up the math thanks.

Too much strength, probably. He might start looking good around level 50-55? I think you went too far though. Slowbuilding is like a crack addiction that way

Originally posted by tautology

Too much strength, probably. He might start looking good around level 50-55? I think you went too far though. Slowbuilding is like a crack addiction that way

Meh. I don't think I went too far, but I am trying to build a super strong NT and I am done adding points to strength. So we'll see how he turns out at lvl 40. I am optimistic.

86.9 natural strength I guess? So you will have 94ish or so by level 40?

He will be strong, no doubt about that

Originally posted by tautology

86.9 natural strength I guess? So you will have 94ish or so by level 40?

He will be strong, no doubt about that

Well I have not done my final strength train either so tack one on.

Originally posted by tjsexy82

Sorry but you fail. The auto level gains I get are worth more than if I had cut off strength and capped a different attribute. You realize I have been effectively gaining 6SP each time I level right? Optimize that.

You can question whether it's worth anything to take strength that high, but don't fuck up the math thanks.

The math works out in favor of capping the closest attribute to the next cap, especially if you intend on spending SP even higher. It does come at the cost of not getting strength as high as it would otherwise be, although the difference is quite small.

Essentially at the end of season 3 you've traded 86.07 str 67.07 agi for 88.07 str 61.07 agi. Feel free to argue with the numbers here:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pbmck92KTeeUGh4gL8MNzOQ

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Originally posted by tjsexy82


Sorry but you fail. The auto level gains I get are worth more than if I had cut off strength and capped a different attribute. You realize I have been effectively gaining 6SP each time I level right? Optimize that.

You can question whether it's worth anything to take strength that high, but don't fuck up the math thanks.

The math works out in favor of capping the closest attribute to the next cap, especially if you intend on spending SP even higher. It does come at the cost of not getting strength as high as it would otherwise be, although the difference is quite small.

Essentially at the end of season 3 you've traded 86.07 str 67.07 agi for 88.07 str 61.07 agi. Feel free to argue with the numbers here:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pbmck92KTeeUGh4gL8MNzOQ


Uh, you don't get to change my build. You said slow building is optimizing, and that's why I'm not slow building. But I have taken the most optimal route to my build; hence, slow-building. Further, I am auto-gaining more SP-worth each level than the hypothetical player you created above. You're just disputing whether I spent my points wisely. But the FACT that, in getting to the build I wanted, I built optimally is indisputable.

Originally posted by tjsexy82
Originally posted by TheGreatPuma

Originally posted by tjsexy82



Sorry but you fail. The auto level gains I get are worth more than if I had cut off strength and capped a different attribute. You realize I have been effectively gaining 6SP each time I level right? Optimize that.

You can question whether it's worth anything to take strength that high, but don't fuck up the math thanks.

The math works out in favor of capping the closest attribute to the next cap, especially if you intend on spending SP even higher. It does come at the cost of not getting strength as high as it would otherwise be, although the difference is quite small.

Essentially at the end of season 3 you've traded 86.07 str 67.07 agi for 88.07 str 61.07 agi. Feel free to argue with the numbers here:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pbmck92KTeeUGh4gL8MNzOQ


Uh, you don't get to change my build. You said slow building is optimizing, and that's why I'm not slow building. But I have taken the most optimal route to my build; hence, slow-building. Further, I am auto-gaining more SP-worth each level than the hypothetical player you created above. You're just disputing whether I spent my points wisely. But the FACT that, in getting to the build I wanted, I built optimally is indisputable.

a pure strength NT is what you were aiming for? then thats what you got. I doubt in the next couple of seasons that a pure strength NT will be highly effective.

Originally posted by zomgmike
Originally posted by tjsexy82

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma


Originally posted by tjsexy82




Sorry but you fail. The auto level gains I get are worth more than if I had cut off strength and capped a different attribute. You realize I have been effectively gaining 6SP each time I level right? Optimize that.

You can question whether it's worth anything to take strength that high, but don't fuck up the math thanks.

The math works out in favor of capping the closest attribute to the next cap, especially if you intend on spending SP even higher. It does come at the cost of not getting strength as high as it would otherwise be, although the difference is quite small.

Essentially at the end of season 3 you've traded 86.07 str 67.07 agi for 88.07 str 61.07 agi. Feel free to argue with the numbers here:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pbmck92KTeeUGh4gL8MNzOQ


Uh, you don't get to change my build. You said slow building is optimizing, and that's why I'm not slow building. But I have taken the most optimal route to my build; hence, slow-building. Further, I am auto-gaining more SP-worth each level than the hypothetical player you created above. You're just disputing whether I spent my points wisely. But the FACT that, in getting to the build I wanted, I built optimally is indisputable.

a pure strength NT is what you were aiming for? then thats what you got. I doubt in the next couple of seasons that a pure strength NT will be highly effective.

He will not be pure strength. It is slow build, I haven't added points to anything else. He is only level 22.

Clearly its a NT build.

Id argue though youll only really get 3 productive season with that build.

Originally posted by tjsexy82

Uh, you don't get to change my build. You said slow building is optimizing, and that's why I'm not slow building. But I have taken the most optimal route to my build; hence, slow-building. Further, I am auto-gaining more SP-worth each level than the hypothetical player you created above. You're just disputing whether I spent my points wisely. But the FACT that, in getting to the build I wanted, I built optimally is indisputable.


No build changing necessary, nor am I making any judgment about your build or your strategy. TBH, I like it when people do things like this, I like to see the results. I'm simply pointing out that my math IS sound, since you felt the need to challenge it at the top of page 2.

There is one other thing I must point out, and it's something a lot of slow-builders miss. It's the economics of it. A level up gain of str from 90 to 91 is not "worth" 11 SP. It's only worth what you would pay for it in SP. So, would you spend 11 SP to go from 90 str to 91? No? Then how much would you spend? That's how much it's worth, regardless of what it actually costs.

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Originally posted by tjsexy82


Uh, you don't get to change my build. You said slow building is optimizing, and that's why I'm not slow building. But I have taken the most optimal route to my build; hence, slow-building. Further, I am auto-gaining more SP-worth each level than the hypothetical player you created above. You're just disputing whether I spent my points wisely. But the FACT that, in getting to the build I wanted, I built optimally is indisputable.


No build changing necessary, nor am I making any judgment about your build or your strategy. TBH, I like it when people do things like this, I like to see the results. I'm simply pointing out that my math IS sound, since you felt the need to challenge it at the top of page 2.

There is one other thing I must point out, and it's something a lot of slow-builders miss. It's the economics of it. A level up gain of str from 90 to 91 is not "worth" 11 SP. It's only worth what you would pay for it in SP. So, would you spend 11 SP to go from 90 str to 91? No? Then how much would you spend? That's how much it's worth, regardless of what it actually costs.

You said I wasn't optimizing and it wasn't a slow build. That's what you said. But I am optimizing. Here's your response:

"The math works out in favor of capping the closest attribute to the next cap, especially if you intend on spending SP even higher. It does come at the cost of not getting strength as high as it would otherwise be, although the difference is quite small. Essentially at the end of season 3 you've traded 86.07 str 67.07 agi for 88.07 str 61.07 agi."

(1) As I read it, you're not arguing with whether I slow built at all, you're just arguing with where I chose to stop capping strength. It is impossible to argue that one build is less "optimized" or "slow built" just because someone took an attribute to a different cap than you'd recommend. Slow building is about how you get where you're going, not where you're going itself.

(2) Further, as I pointed out and you haven't disputed, I've been effectively getting 6SP per level up and I don't see how your "optimal" build beats that. So how the math works in your favor remains a mystery.

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma


There is one other thing I must point out, and it's something a lot of slow-builders miss. It's the economics of it. A level up gain of str from 90 to 91 is not "worth" 11 SP. It's only worth what you would pay for it in SP. So, would you spend 11 SP to go from 90 str to 91? No? Then how much would you spend? That's how much it's worth, regardless of what it actually costs.

In this case we're talking about whether I'd spend 9 SP to go from like 86 strength to 87. And yes, as I've proven, I would. So while you make a point...it isn't relevant here. The gain is 6SP to me, thanks.

You ask for ratings and then argue with the raters...interesting.

Originally posted by tmac726643
You ask for ratings and then argue with the raters...interesting.

I'm arguing with someone who claimed I didn't slow build efficiently. If he said my build was shitty, fine his opinion. But he said something that's actually factually wrong.