Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Horse41tx
At what point would you stop adding to Tackle to go with Strength?

again, PERSONALLY... I'd just take strength to the softcap and leave it. Then I'd get strength to 55~ and then add to it as you see missed tackles becoming a problem. Then I'd use all the SP you'll save on strength and dump them into getting one of your core attributes (speed, agility, vision) up an extra cap (the 74 cap most likely, since those 3 stats should probably be 68 capped at least). Sure Tackler, David vs. Goliath, and Brick Wall should be enough to compensate for most of the tackling deficiencies you'll still have.

Here's a little data... level 35 SS, 35 strength, 48 tackling, set on Balanced.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551546&pbp_id=333880
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551546&pbp_id=335110
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=551546&pbp_id=329829

Had 5 tackles total, and not once did a guy do the bogus "fall forward for 3 yards" crap on him.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=550534


PLAYS ON POWER TACKLING EVERY GAME.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

11 tackles 0 missed 6 forced fumbles 2 pass deflections, 1 sack. 44 tackling. 70 str.


BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH

Beltway aint no joke either...FWG would crush your SS though.

Originally posted by mmuhr
Beltway aint no joke either...FWG would crush your SS though.

I welcome all challengers. ALLLLLLLLLLLLL MY SS will fuck anyone up Too bad our only chance to play is in the championship game.

Originally posted by mmuhr
Beltway aint no joke either...FWG would crush your SS though.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=550534&pbp_id=250702
this play is funny.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=550534


PLAYS ON POWER TACKLING EVERY GAME.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

11 tackles 0 missed 6 forced fumbles 2 pass deflections, 1 sack. 44 tackling. 70 str.


BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH

Oh noes, you killed an elusive back with no strength and no carrying! CLEARLY everything else is irrelevant.

Challenge the Blitz... I'm fairly certain you won't see the same kind of results. Powerbacks of any sort of quality own your guy, plain and simple. And since any worthwhile team has at least one powerback... any worthwhile team will own your SS. Sorry.

Originally posted by Blamo

Oh noes, you killed an elusive back with no strength and no carrying! CLEARLY everything else is irrelevant.

Challenge the Blitz... I'm fairly certain you won't see the same kind of results. Powerbacks of any sort of quality own your guy, plain and simple. And since any worthwhile team has at least one powerback... any worthwhile team will own your SS. Sorry.

Yeah because that team sucked right.

And guess what, there is such thing as wrap up or balanced tackling, if I don't feel like missing on a power back.

But he still plays on power tackling every game.

Give up, you ARE NOT right. You're just not. I keep pulling up countless instances where tackling doesn't matter since he plays every game on power tackling. with 44 tackling.

Even if he played a power back I wouldn't care if he missed a few tackles. But if I did I would set it on Wrap up if the game really counted.

His v.a.'s are in no way pointed towards helping him make tackles either.

If you want to pump tackling up to 61 or 68, so you won't miss 11 tackles on a season, then go ahead and do it. No one is stopping you at all. I won't stop you.

But for the noobs out there they need to know that you don't need that much tackling to be successful. None of your guys are really impressive. Probably because you invest so heavily in tackling so you won't miss a few tackles. OH god. he missed 11 tackles out of 120. It's the end of the world right? Yeah not so much. Not WASTING sp's just so he makes those 11 tackles which really didn't do much anyway when they were missed.

If you Up your tackling because you're scared to miss a tackle here and there on power backs, then those power backs are ruling your life. I would rather rule my own life than let a fucking power back (who probably got a little nerf) rule my life.

Get over it. you're NOT right. No matter what you think. you are asking people to spend 20-30 extra sp's so they won't miss 5 tackles on a season. Give me a fucking break.

I'd rather miss those tackles and be a better over all player.

Yeah, I'm not going to bring tackling up to 61 on my FS just so he doesn't miss a few tackles every season. I'm going to build my guy to be a good player overall who makes plays, not a guy who doesn't miss a few tackles here and there.

I still think there are more important things to worry about (catching, jumping, strength).

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Blamo


Oh noes, you killed an elusive back with no strength and no carrying! CLEARLY everything else is irrelevant.

Challenge the Blitz... I'm fairly certain you won't see the same kind of results. Powerbacks of any sort of quality own your guy, plain and simple. And since any worthwhile team has at least one powerback... any worthwhile team will own your SS. Sorry.

Yeah because that team sucked right.

And guess what, there is such thing as wrap up or balanced tackling, if I don't feel like missing on a power back.

But he still plays on power tackling every game.

Give up, you ARE NOT right. You're just not. I keep pulling up countless instances where tackling doesn't matter since he plays every game on power tackling. with 44 tackling.

Even if he played a power back I wouldn't care if he missed a few tackles. But if I did I would set it on Wrap up if the game really counted.

His v.a.'s are in no way pointed towards helping him make tackles either.

If you want to pump tackling up to 61 or 68, so you won't miss 11 tackles on a season, then go ahead and do it. No one is stopping you at all. I won't stop you.

But for the noobs out there they need to know that you don't need that much tackling to be successful. None of your guys are really impressive. Probably because you invest so heavily in tackling so you won't miss a few tackles. OH god. he missed 11 tackles out of 120. It's the end of the world right? Yeah not so much. Not WASTING sp's just so he makes those 11 tackles which really didn't do much anyway when they were missed.

If you Up your tackling because you're scared to miss a tackle here and there on power backs, then those power backs are ruling your life. I would rather rule my own life than let a fucking power back (who probably got a little nerf) rule my life.

Get over it. you're NOT right. No matter what you think. you are asking people to spend 20-30 extra sp's so they won't miss 5 tackles on a season. Give me a fucking break.

I'd rather miss those tackles and be a better over all player.



I agree with UD's point, although maybe I'd say it in a bit less combative way . . .

I don't think the SPs to get tackling from 48 to 60 are ever worth it. Honestly, if all you're worried about it not missing tackles, unless you're playing Larry Csonka there's no reason to spend a point in tackling for quite a while.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Blamo


Oh noes, you killed an elusive back with no strength and no carrying! CLEARLY everything else is irrelevant.

Challenge the Blitz... I'm fairly certain you won't see the same kind of results. Powerbacks of any sort of quality own your guy, plain and simple. And since any worthwhile team has at least one powerback... any worthwhile team will own your SS. Sorry.

Yeah because that team sucked right.

And guess what, there is such thing as wrap up or balanced tackling, if I don't feel like missing on a power back.

But he still plays on power tackling every game.

Give up, you ARE NOT right. You're just not. I keep pulling up countless instances where tackling doesn't matter since he plays every game on power tackling. with 44 tackling.

Even if he played a power back I wouldn't care if he missed a few tackles. But if I did I would set it on Wrap up if the game really counted.

His v.a.'s are in no way pointed towards helping him make tackles either.

If you want to pump tackling up to 61 or 68, so you won't miss 11 tackles on a season, then go ahead and do it. No one is stopping you at all. I won't stop you.

But for the noobs out there they need to know that you don't need that much tackling to be successful. None of your guys are really impressive. Probably because you invest so heavily in tackling so you won't miss a few tackles. OH god. he missed 11 tackles out of 120. It's the end of the world right? Yeah not so much. Not WASTING sp's just so he makes those 11 tackles which really didn't do much anyway when they were missed.

If you Up your tackling because you're scared to miss a tackle here and there on power backs, then those power backs are ruling your life. I would rather rule my own life than let a fucking power back (who probably got a little nerf) rule my life.

Get over it. you're NOT right. No matter what you think. you are asking people to spend 20-30 extra sp's so they won't miss 5 tackles on a season. Give me a fucking break.

I'd rather miss those tackles and be a better over all player.



None of my guys are that impressive, eh? I'm pretty sure if I put my LB and Center on the open market, I would be able to take my pick from a ton of PRO teams tbh =/ And I'm not saying that team sucks, but def not pro caliber... So whatever. All I'm saying is play some teams with good backs and you're gonna get steamrolled. Also, fwiw, my SS is having a much better career arch than yours is. At similar stages in our careers, my guy is the superior guy in pass coverage and pass rushing... The only thing your guy has been consistently better at is FFing, which is a pretty meh stat in GLB right now anyways. So, by all means hate all you want. I think you just really, really want for strength to be important. It's versatility, unfortunately, isn't nearly as great as you think it is. I don't think you're really able to do much more with 70 strength than I can do with 40-50. And even better, when I get my tackling up high enough, I'll be able to play on power without even missing tackles. lawl.

And you can downplay the importance of missing tackles all you want, too. But when you whiff a bunch of tackles on your way to another playoff loss this season, don't say nobody ever told you this was going to happen.

Originally posted by quantofsol2008
Yeah, I'm not going to bring tackling up to 61 on my FS just so he doesn't miss a few tackles every season. I'm going to build my guy to be a good player overall who makes plays, not a guy who doesn't miss a few tackles here and there.

I still think there are more important things to worry about (catching, jumping, strength).

Honestly... if you're a FS, you shouldn't really be putting many points in strength or tackling. So if you thought this thread was about FS in any way, well that's your issue...

And honestly... Sunshineman, if you're following UDs philosophies, I would stop. If the best that can do for you is backup on a EEBBB squad... I would find a new direction. My SS also has been better statistically in every way than yours. If people are trying to disagree with my philosophies, I would expect them to have a better player than mine. I'm not trying to pick fights (well, other than with UD) or anything... but maybe there's a little more to what I'm saying than you guys think.

My point applies to all positions. I'm not going to cap things like tackling just to not miss 5 tackles per year or something like that. Same applies to WRs who triple cap catching just to avoid dropping 3-4 balls per year.

And you can not miss tackles with 40-50 tackling, even playing on normal or power tackling. The payoff you're getting from not missing those tackles is minimal when compared to the payoff you're getting for forcing more fumbles, being better able to break blocks, and being better in pass coverage.

Originally posted by Blamo
And honestly... Sunshineman, if you're following UDs philosophies, I would stop. If the best that can do for you is backup on a EEBBB squad... I would find a new direction. My SS also has been better statistically in every way than yours. If people are trying to disagree with my philosophies, I would expect them to have a better player than mine. I'm not trying to pick fights (well, other than with UD) or anything... but maybe there's a little more to what I'm saying than you guys think.

My safety has primarily played FS throughout his career, and has been slowbuilding. I wouldn't try and base too much off of his stats, as his PT/position has been wildly inconsistent. If you really want to try and read into his build etc . . ., then watch some replays . . . I've never spent an SP in tackling and yet I virtually never miss tackles (playing on wrap-up) versus powerbacks with 100+ strength. But this really isn't about my guy--his build won't fill out for another 10 levels or so. If you want to attack my player/my knowledge of the game ("If the best that can do for you is backup on a EEBBB squad"), find a more relevant point.

I'm not "following" UD's philosophies . . . I've independently come to the same conclusion myself. I don't think Tackling is bad--in fact if you're primarily a run-stuffer it's better than strength--but IMO for the most effective safety taking tackling past 48 is a really bad use of your SPs.

It's not like my experience is limited to EEBBB . . . I've coordinated for teams at every level short of Pro. My opinion is based on which safeties' build have seemed to me to be the most effective from watching replays, assessing builds, etc.

And as a side note, I'm perfectly happy with my guy, and his lack of stats thus far doesn't particularly disappoint me.

Honestly, I think you should bring both to 60. This discussion is endless.