Congrats Graz.
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Thanks all. I´m really happy about our perfect season and especially the way how we won. We proved everyone that all the discussions are useless, it´s just about how to stop the I slam. Our DC found a way and forced ATOIAF to punt 7 times.
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Exactly.
It is stoppable
just have to have the players and the gameplan to do it. ATOIAF did it to us (though we really didn't do the i slam thing the whole playoffs and really stopped it that game) when NO ONE ELSE COULD. Congrats to Graz, can't wait to play you guys next season
Oh, they are from Zeta originally anyway Alpha, so Zeta still >>> Alpha.
It is stoppable
just have to have the players and the gameplan to do it. ATOIAF did it to us (though we really didn't do the i slam thing the whole playoffs and really stopped it that game) when NO ONE ELSE COULD. Congrats to Graz, can't wait to play you guys next season
Oh, they are from Zeta originally anyway Alpha, so Zeta still >>> Alpha.
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How funny is it that Alpha blows so bad that it took a former Zeta team to win the trophy for them?
Still further proof that ZETA > alpha!
Still further proof that ZETA > alpha!
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I think what it really proves is that (Zeta to Alpha transition) >> all.
O hey... that's us!
O hey... that's us!
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Originally posted by godgib
Thanks all. I´m really happy about our perfect season and especially the way how we won. We proved everyone that all the discussions are useless, it´s just about how to stop the I slam. Our DC found a way and forced ATOIAF to punt 7 times.
Exactly.
Perhaps some of the rest of you should have spent more time working on a gameplan to stop the rushing teams instead of bitching, and you could have lost to Graz in the finals.
But I guess it's just easier to bitch and cry when you lose instead of working to make yourselves better.
(this is only directed at those that were bitching and moaning throughout the playoffs. There were several people that were good sports.)
Congrats Graz. Well earned win.
Thanks all. I´m really happy about our perfect season and especially the way how we won. We proved everyone that all the discussions are useless, it´s just about how to stop the I slam. Our DC found a way and forced ATOIAF to punt 7 times.
Exactly.
Perhaps some of the rest of you should have spent more time working on a gameplan to stop the rushing teams instead of bitching, and you could have lost to Graz in the finals.
But I guess it's just easier to bitch and cry when you lose instead of working to make yourselves better.
(this is only directed at those that were bitching and moaning throughout the playoffs. There were several people that were good sports.)
Congrats Graz. Well earned win.
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Originally posted by jestel
Exactly.
Perhaps some of the rest of you should have spent more time working on a gameplan to stop the rushing teams instead of bitching, and you could have lost to Graz in the finals.
But I guess it's just easier to bitch and cry when you lose instead of working to make yourselves better.
(this is only directed at those that were bitching and moaning throughout the playoffs. There were several people that were good sports.)
Congrats Graz. Well earned win.
I'll second that last sentence, well done Graz, congratulations to a well earned undefeated season.
As for the first part, guess what, the cause for the "bitching and whining" is not losing or not being able to stop something (btw we lost to Graz, not to a strong islam team in case that has escaped your notice), it is the willingness of some people to abuse and exploit an obvious flaw in the sim to the max, but then you guys did not understand this anytime it was mentioned before, so why would I expect you to grasp that concept now? So live on in your happy belief that the only problem I am having with cheesers like you lot is that we lost to said cheese, even if that is not even remotely close.
Exactly.
Perhaps some of the rest of you should have spent more time working on a gameplan to stop the rushing teams instead of bitching, and you could have lost to Graz in the finals.
But I guess it's just easier to bitch and cry when you lose instead of working to make yourselves better.
(this is only directed at those that were bitching and moaning throughout the playoffs. There were several people that were good sports.)
Congrats Graz. Well earned win.
I'll second that last sentence, well done Graz, congratulations to a well earned undefeated season.
As for the first part, guess what, the cause for the "bitching and whining" is not losing or not being able to stop something (btw we lost to Graz, not to a strong islam team in case that has escaped your notice), it is the willingness of some people to abuse and exploit an obvious flaw in the sim to the max, but then you guys did not understand this anytime it was mentioned before, so why would I expect you to grasp that concept now? So live on in your happy belief that the only problem I am having with cheesers like you lot is that we lost to said cheese, even if that is not even remotely close.
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Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by jestel
Exactly.
Perhaps some of the rest of you should have spent more time working on a gameplan to stop the rushing teams instead of bitching, and you could have lost to Graz in the finals.
But I guess it's just easier to bitch and cry when you lose instead of working to make yourselves better.
(this is only directed at those that were bitching and moaning throughout the playoffs. There were several people that were good sports.)
Congrats Graz. Well earned win.
I'll second that last sentence, well done Graz, congratulations to a well earned undefeated season.
As for the first part, guess what, the cause for the "bitching and whining" is not losing or not being able to stop something (btw we lost to Graz, not to a strong islam team in case that has escaped your notice), it is the willingness of some people to abuse and exploit an obvious flaw in the sim to the max, but then you guys did not understand this anytime it was mentioned before, so why would I expect you to grasp that concept now? So live on in your happy belief that the only problem I am having with cheesers like you lot is that we lost to said cheese, even if that is not even remotely close.
But had you beaten ATOIAF, we wouldn't have heard you bitching at all about it. And if you want us to believe otherwise, I'm just gonna go with bullshit.
Had you won, you might have made a small comment about it being a cheap but ineffective tactic. But you lost. Then you cried on here for days. Would you have bitched it we had run the same pass play 100% of the time? No. You would have won and called it a stupid gameplan and moved on. So don't come out now, and say it was just our tactics and had nothing to do with you losing. Bullshit.
Because if Graz was able to so easily overcome it, as they did throughout the playoffs, then maybe it wasn't the unstoppable exploit you so badly wanted it to be. Maybe now you have to chalk up you loss to your poor planning instead of another team exploiting the game? But you won't. Once a crybaby, always a crybaby.
Originally posted by jestel
Exactly.
Perhaps some of the rest of you should have spent more time working on a gameplan to stop the rushing teams instead of bitching, and you could have lost to Graz in the finals.
But I guess it's just easier to bitch and cry when you lose instead of working to make yourselves better.
(this is only directed at those that were bitching and moaning throughout the playoffs. There were several people that were good sports.)
Congrats Graz. Well earned win.
I'll second that last sentence, well done Graz, congratulations to a well earned undefeated season.
As for the first part, guess what, the cause for the "bitching and whining" is not losing or not being able to stop something (btw we lost to Graz, not to a strong islam team in case that has escaped your notice), it is the willingness of some people to abuse and exploit an obvious flaw in the sim to the max, but then you guys did not understand this anytime it was mentioned before, so why would I expect you to grasp that concept now? So live on in your happy belief that the only problem I am having with cheesers like you lot is that we lost to said cheese, even if that is not even remotely close.
But had you beaten ATOIAF, we wouldn't have heard you bitching at all about it. And if you want us to believe otherwise, I'm just gonna go with bullshit.
Had you won, you might have made a small comment about it being a cheap but ineffective tactic. But you lost. Then you cried on here for days. Would you have bitched it we had run the same pass play 100% of the time? No. You would have won and called it a stupid gameplan and moved on. So don't come out now, and say it was just our tactics and had nothing to do with you losing. Bullshit.
Because if Graz was able to so easily overcome it, as they did throughout the playoffs, then maybe it wasn't the unstoppable exploit you so badly wanted it to be. Maybe now you have to chalk up you loss to your poor planning instead of another team exploiting the game? But you won't. Once a crybaby, always a crybaby.
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Originally posted by jestel
But had you beaten ATOIAF
<sigh> For the umptieth time, maybe it will get into your thick heads eventually. We did not play ATOIAF. We are in another conference. I spoke up about this issue before Korb played ATOIAF. Same as I spoke up in season one when Tim Harper pulled his cheese stuff with his ringers. Same as I have spoken up on other occasions people tried to abuse exploits that weren't technically illegal. I think people trying to pull cheese stuff are ruining the fun for others, and I will call them out on it when I come across it. Keep ignoring the fact that I have done so long before ATOIF beat Korb, of course that has to be the only reason I was not happy in your small minded world.
As for the "crying for days", in case you have not noticed that either, the only people who have been harping on about this for the last few days were, and correct me if I am wrong, MissionCoach, jprietman, and yourself. Yes, I got into the discussion with Arthur Riot after the second round of the playoffs, but have not said a word since, and certainly not since you guys played each other in the Zeta conference Championship. Neither has Disastermaster if I am not mistaken. So next time you want to whine please do me a favor and check your facts before you accuse people of stuff that only you and your buddies are doing. You people kept being defensive long after the other side of the discussion had dropped the issue. I wonder why that is?
But had you beaten ATOIAF
<sigh> For the umptieth time, maybe it will get into your thick heads eventually. We did not play ATOIAF. We are in another conference. I spoke up about this issue before Korb played ATOIAF. Same as I spoke up in season one when Tim Harper pulled his cheese stuff with his ringers. Same as I have spoken up on other occasions people tried to abuse exploits that weren't technically illegal. I think people trying to pull cheese stuff are ruining the fun for others, and I will call them out on it when I come across it. Keep ignoring the fact that I have done so long before ATOIF beat Korb, of course that has to be the only reason I was not happy in your small minded world.
As for the "crying for days", in case you have not noticed that either, the only people who have been harping on about this for the last few days were, and correct me if I am wrong, MissionCoach, jprietman, and yourself. Yes, I got into the discussion with Arthur Riot after the second round of the playoffs, but have not said a word since, and certainly not since you guys played each other in the Zeta conference Championship. Neither has Disastermaster if I am not mistaken. So next time you want to whine please do me a favor and check your facts before you accuse people of stuff that only you and your buddies are doing. You people kept being defensive long after the other side of the discussion had dropped the issue. I wonder why that is?
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True, E-city are in the other conference and ran Graz closer than either of the I-slam teams they played.
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Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by jestel
But had you beaten ATOIAF
<sigh> For the umptieth time, maybe it will get into your thick heads eventually. We did not play ATOIAF. We are in another conference. I spoke up about this issue before Korb played ATOIAF. Same as I spoke up in season one when Tim Harper pulled his cheese stuff with his ringers. Same as I have spoken up on other occasions people tried to abuse exploits that weren't technically illegal. I think people trying to pull cheese stuff are ruining the fun for others, and I will call them out on it when I come across it. Keep ignoring the fact that I have done so long before ATOIF beat Korb, of course that has to be the only reason I was not happy in your small minded world.
As for the "crying for days", in case you have not noticed that either, the only people who have been harping on about this for the last few days were, and correct me if I am wrong, MissionCoach, jprietman, and yourself. Yes, I got into the discussion with Arthur Riot after the second round of the playoffs, but have not said a word since, and certainly not since you guys played each other in the Zeta conference Championship. Neither has Disastermaster if I am not mistaken. So next time you want to whine please do me a favor and check your facts before you accuse people of stuff that only you and your buddies are doing. You people kept being defensive long after the other side of the discussion had dropped the issue. I wonder why that is?
Again, how is it an exploit if Graz was able to overcome for half of the playoffs?
Do you really want me to look up your posts throughout the playoffs and show that you bitched for DAYS? You do realize that DAYS = more than 1 day. You were easily part of 2-3 days of bitching.
If you don't realize that Graz winning should show you how pointless your whining attacks were, then there's no way I can explain why you should be eating crow about claiming exploit. Because now that Graz won, it's just a tactic you (sorry, I count being a gm on a team being part of the team despite what you say, + having their starting HB makes you a part of their team) were unable to beat. If you wonder why it's being brought back up now, it's because your accusations have been proven baseless. It was no exploit. It was just something people hadn't appropriately gameplanned for.
I'll be awaiting your apology.
Originally posted by jestel
But had you beaten ATOIAF
<sigh> For the umptieth time, maybe it will get into your thick heads eventually. We did not play ATOIAF. We are in another conference. I spoke up about this issue before Korb played ATOIAF. Same as I spoke up in season one when Tim Harper pulled his cheese stuff with his ringers. Same as I have spoken up on other occasions people tried to abuse exploits that weren't technically illegal. I think people trying to pull cheese stuff are ruining the fun for others, and I will call them out on it when I come across it. Keep ignoring the fact that I have done so long before ATOIF beat Korb, of course that has to be the only reason I was not happy in your small minded world.
As for the "crying for days", in case you have not noticed that either, the only people who have been harping on about this for the last few days were, and correct me if I am wrong, MissionCoach, jprietman, and yourself. Yes, I got into the discussion with Arthur Riot after the second round of the playoffs, but have not said a word since, and certainly not since you guys played each other in the Zeta conference Championship. Neither has Disastermaster if I am not mistaken. So next time you want to whine please do me a favor and check your facts before you accuse people of stuff that only you and your buddies are doing. You people kept being defensive long after the other side of the discussion had dropped the issue. I wonder why that is?
Again, how is it an exploit if Graz was able to overcome for half of the playoffs?
Do you really want me to look up your posts throughout the playoffs and show that you bitched for DAYS? You do realize that DAYS = more than 1 day. You were easily part of 2-3 days of bitching.
If you don't realize that Graz winning should show you how pointless your whining attacks were, then there's no way I can explain why you should be eating crow about claiming exploit. Because now that Graz won, it's just a tactic you (sorry, I count being a gm on a team being part of the team despite what you say, + having their starting HB makes you a part of their team) were unable to beat. If you wonder why it's being brought back up now, it's because your accusations have been proven baseless. It was no exploit. It was just something people hadn't appropriately gameplanned for.
I'll be awaiting your apology.
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Originally posted by jestel
Do you really want me to look up your posts throughout the playoffs and show that you bitched for DAYS?
Feel free to do so, if it means that much to you. I doubt you will find more than a few posts after round 1 of the playoffs and then the discussions following round 2, made on April 1st and 2nd. After that? Find me one post I made in this regard after April 2nd and I'll readily admit that you got me on this point. But I guess April 1st and 2nd technically makes it "DAYS" as you claim, not withstanding the fact that some of your teammates (and admittedly some others) kept going on about it all the way until today. Heck, even in the thread that kalmanc apparently made just to rub it in your teammates were practically amongst themselves.
Originally posted by jestel
If you don't realize that Graz winning should show you how pointless your whining attacks were, then there's no way I can explain why you should be eating crow about claiming exploit.
Oh, so it is not an exploit then if countless people practically begged Bort to fix it to the extent of taking the play out of the playbook for the playoffs? It is not a known exploit if Bort specifically addressed that he'd have a fix in for next season? It is not a known exploit if all over the boards people talk about the "season of the strong islam"? All these people have no clue at all then, including those of your teammates who acknowledged that you were using a well known broken play because "you'd do all that it takes to win"? But probably you will tell me next that I just imagined that, right? Go ahead, start a thread in the main forums and state that there should be no changes to these plays you used for last season, and see whether the majority of the people in the game share your opinion that is not an exploit.
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Because now that Graz won, it's just a tactic you (sorry, I count being a gm on a team being part of the team despite what you say) were unable to beat.
Well, if Id be the OC or DC of Korb you would be right. Problem is, I ain't, and no matter what you want to believe it does not change the fact that I ain't, or that I voiced my opinion about this cheese stuff before Korb was out of the playoffs.
Do you really want me to look up your posts throughout the playoffs and show that you bitched for DAYS?
Feel free to do so, if it means that much to you. I doubt you will find more than a few posts after round 1 of the playoffs and then the discussions following round 2, made on April 1st and 2nd. After that? Find me one post I made in this regard after April 2nd and I'll readily admit that you got me on this point. But I guess April 1st and 2nd technically makes it "DAYS" as you claim, not withstanding the fact that some of your teammates (and admittedly some others) kept going on about it all the way until today. Heck, even in the thread that kalmanc apparently made just to rub it in your teammates were practically amongst themselves.
Originally posted by jestel
If you don't realize that Graz winning should show you how pointless your whining attacks were, then there's no way I can explain why you should be eating crow about claiming exploit.
Oh, so it is not an exploit then if countless people practically begged Bort to fix it to the extent of taking the play out of the playbook for the playoffs? It is not a known exploit if Bort specifically addressed that he'd have a fix in for next season? It is not a known exploit if all over the boards people talk about the "season of the strong islam"? All these people have no clue at all then, including those of your teammates who acknowledged that you were using a well known broken play because "you'd do all that it takes to win"? But probably you will tell me next that I just imagined that, right? Go ahead, start a thread in the main forums and state that there should be no changes to these plays you used for last season, and see whether the majority of the people in the game share your opinion that is not an exploit.
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Because now that Graz won, it's just a tactic you (sorry, I count being a gm on a team being part of the team despite what you say) were unable to beat.
Well, if Id be the OC or DC of Korb you would be right. Problem is, I ain't, and no matter what you want to believe it does not change the fact that I ain't, or that I voiced my opinion about this cheese stuff before Korb was out of the playoffs.
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