Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Eddie Winslow
you and I both know that LT was a poor build. He's a level 16 with a yellow bar for blocking. Deebo is going to be the league leader when it's all said and done.

If so only because hes playing in Alpha and Alpha has more bottomfeeders.

lol - word of the day: excuses

excuses are lies we tell ourselves to avoid dealing with unpleasant truths. If you did your homework you'd see that the Reapers have only faced one team with a terrible record and still top Prague in almost every defensive statistical category. Our defense is anchored by our d-line; if he walks away with the most sacks you'd be a clown shoe not to congratulate him for putting in the work for it.

Originally posted by Da Mean Mugga
If you did your homework you'd see that the Reapers have only faced one team with a terrible record and still top Prague in almost every defensive statistical category.

Wait a sec...you lead us in almost every defensive category? Let's see:

Tackles: Punishers - 4th to last Reapers - Last (actually probably a good thing, so we'll give you that point)

Missed Tackles: Punishers - Last (Also a good thing, fewest missed...point for us) Reapers - 5th to last

Hurries: Punishers #2 - Reapers #13 (Point goes to the Punishers)

Sacks: Punishers #3 - Reapers #2 (Point goes to the Reapers)

PD's : Punishers #8 - Reapers #20 (Point goes to the Punishers)

INT's: Punishers #3 - Reapers #18 (Point goes to the Punishers)

FF's: Punishers #15 - Reapers #23 (Point goes to the Punishers)

Fum Rec: Punishers #7 - Reapers #25 (Point goes to the Punishers)

Looks like Punishers 6, Reapers 2
Proof is in the pudding my friend.

Edit: Might I add that our two "losses" were by a 3 and 1 point margin...very close to complete domination of the Reapers defensively. Perhaps you should be doing your homework. Thanks for playing :-)

thanks for playing? what is that?

ah, your arrogance is only matched by your idiocy. You left the key stats out I was referring to, but it's okay I'm not mad at you. I won't accuse you of anything shysty, I'll just assume you didn't know how to access them.

Staying on topic, the defensive line for the Reapers wins statistically in the trenches. You left out rushing yards allowed and rushing yards allowed per game. Our line wins the battle on the front line every game, and is unmatched by any team in the league may it be Alpha or Omega; HOWEVER If you don't mind, of course, I'd like to move the topic back to where it started - the defensive end position.

Deebo already has a ten tackle lead on Kruscher, a 64 yard interception TD return at the DE position, and even has racked up a few pancakes of his own on the offensive line. These aren't just all pro statistics, but MVP statistics. If Cary Stayner wasn't on our roster there's no doubt in my mind Deebo would be unanymously voted for team MVP this year. To prematurely crown Kruscher as "the best" would be unfair at this point, and to reiterate what I said before - if Deebo walks away with more sacks it isn't because we played more "bottom feeders", it's because he put the work in and deserved it. He's been phenominal this season, point blank period.

Originally posted by Eddie Winslow
you and I both know that LT was a poor build. He's a level 16 with a yellow bar for blocking. Deebo is going to be the league leader when it's all said and done.

Also a L16 OT will have yellow bars unless they go stupid on blocking and blocking only. If you have strength or agility then you wont have a yellow bar. Of course dont let the team that has allowed the fewest hurries and the 2nd fewest sacks (tied) tell you anything, you keep on thinking that he was a bad build, I know for a fact that our OTs are GREAT builds and his bars were similar to ours.

he's a terrible build! what are you smoking? he only has like 30 pancakes this season at level 16. our lower level tackles have more than twice what he has.

Originally posted by Eddie Winslow
he's a terrible build! what are you smoking? he only has like 30 pancakes this season at level 16. our lower level tackles have more than twice what he has.

lol hey hey hey now, fall back.

don't let the team that has allowed the fewest hurries and the 2nd fewest sacks tell you anything. lol

Originally posted by Da Mean Mugga
Originally posted by Eddie Winslow

he's a terrible build! what are you smoking? he only has like 30 pancakes this season at level 16. our lower level tackles have more than twice what he has.

lol hey hey hey now, fall back.

don't let the team that has allowed the fewest hurries and the 2nd fewest sacks tell you anything. lol

I know right? That's ok, they can have their opinions I'll just take the sack title.

More pancakes means more feeder teams. Pancakes mean nothing. Hurries and sacks mean everything.

I'm well aware of how to access those stats, I just thought I'd gone far enough. Yes, it's true, you hold teams to the fewest rushing yards (18.5/game)...even still, we're 2nd (26.2/game). But I'll take scoreboard anyday, we've given up ZERO rushing TD's. You've given up two. And while two rushing TD's is still quite the feat, I would stop VERY short of saying that your D-line is better than ours. Shaun Kruscher, leader of the best D-line in EE Pro. See ya in the playoffs!

Originally posted by Da Mean Mugga
even has racked up a few pancakes of his own on the offensive line.

I'm not sure when 1 pancake was equivalent to a few. 1 < few.

And there you have it folks, what I said would be the hardest part, even agreeing what the definition of success at a position is.

Also, lets take OL .. if OL success is pancakes alone, it is clear that teams who run more are going to get more pancakes, if you look at the top pancake teams, they are rushing teams.

I guess that running teams can feel that their OL are superior because they have a lot of pancakes, but the fact is, Interior OL (G and C) are going to have more pancakes normally (they also are the easiest players besides kickers to specialize in the game) and then OTs are going to have less normally. Although in the case of rushing teams, OTs get good pancakes too. If you look at the top rushing teams ... you can correlate them almost 100% with the top pancake teams. Its kinda funny because that is how the EA Madden/NCAA engine also works.

Regardless, as I said in the first post, it will be hard to keep this subjective and it has already broken down into a small tit for tat thing about what matters.

However I will tell you that tackles for defense doesnt matter worth squat, all it says is that your offense is bad. Maybe tackles/snap is a useful metric .. again like I said in the first post.

Regardless I dont see this happening unless someone just up and does it and doesnt care what anyone thinks, but to get full support for any system, I really doubt it.

However one last thing about OL builds, because it is near and dear to my heart as I have 4 OL.

This is the best OT in our league regardless of metric, be it level or pancakes or what.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=39598

Notice his bar is yellow .. wow he must suck and he is level 17.

Why do we need to make a ballot? The entire team would be CT players!

Hey hey hey...let's not downplay CB's that have good stats. I'm very proud of my league leading 8 int's. If people are dumb enough to keep throwing at me, then I'll keep picking them off.