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Originally posted by jdpbernal
Just asking... If a corner have low tackling number than passes defended, does that mean that he is playing quite well?

Tends to mean its able to fend off the passes and not needing to do the job of the safeties or linebackers.

or it could be my CB gets about 6 or 7 tackles a game on ST, and you can check game logs for that, and the 26 INT's in the last season and a half plus well over 100 PD means clearly he is covering some one. also it hasnt been 7 seasons without promotion, this is only my third season owning the team. made the playoffs first 2 seasons, and now it looks as though we are headed at least to the title game. id say thats not too bad in only 3 seasons. i built this team from nothin and im not gonna apoloigize for recruiting high lvl players and for killin evereyone by 100, and you know what else, when we get to A considering who i have comin in next season we might just role right through there, even with my terrible CB and my brother's terrible RB.

Originally posted by jdpbernal
Just asking... If a corner have low tackling number than passes defended, does that mean that he is playing quite well?

I use it as a way to evaluate my CBs, but it can be pretty inaccurate. It doesn't take into consideration passes they give up that get tackled by other players, touchdowns they give up, tackles they make on running plays, or even on special teams like jtrav said.

Yeah, really no way to tell without looking at replays and seeing if they're getting eaten up or shadowing their man well from game to game.

Quick Q

Who do you think has a better corner?

Archer or Jtrav now let's take a look at their stats seeing as that's what archer cares about the most

Archer's guy
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=547157

Jtrav's guy
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=237990

I'm sorry, but from looking at the stats, Jtrav's guy is way better than Archer's, jtrav's has a lot of PD's and a lot of tackles. Just because he's a corner doesn't mean he shouldn't make tackles. And even if it meant he has bad coverage, he's still preventing the wideout from scoring a TD, you could call that catch and get tackled. Besides, it is stats, like paulstorti said if you want to really analyze the player look at the replays.

Basically Archer, if you going to be an arrogant ass, be able to have proof and backup up what you say.

Yeah Archer, it's only the Teabaggers third season, and like my brother jtrav said, he started the team with nothing and just recruited the players we had now due to just pure good recruiting skills. I don't see why you're hating on the Teabaggers so much for winning, and in good fashion, from just good recruiting/good AI.

My RB has done well in USA BB#8 his first 3 seasons, then dominated in Africa, then Canada, and I wanted to help my brother, so I brought him here, not because weak competition but to help him. Is that so bad also?

Originally posted by Fetialis
Yeah Archer, it's only the Teabaggers third season, and like my brother jtrav said, he started the team with nothing and just recruited the players we had now due to just pure good recruiting skills. I don't see why you're hating on the Teabaggers so much for winning, and in good fashion, from just good recruiting/good AI.

My RB has done well in USA BB#8 his first 3 seasons, then dominated in Africa, then Canada, and I wanted to help my brother, so I brought him here, not because weak competition but to help him. Is that so bad also?

Helping for the right reasons is generally not a bad thing nad your HB is a decent one. I only started firing off because of the I'm the greatest lines. Once Victoria is up in USA A the running attack will at least have a godo chance of keeping up if you keep your HB with them.

Jtrav, the main reason you have so many PD and INT the past two seasons is due to the fact Victoria has forced teams to start passing more than they would due to falling behind early to Victoria, no other reason. So enjoy the padded stats.

Cbucks, if you recall I did say my CB was just another average CB? Have you ever thought part of the reason my CB might not have as many PD could be due to the fact the WRs being covered didn't have the ball thrown at them as often? Those high tackle numbers tend to indicate either another players blown coverage or having to rundown a rusher, not that a wideout was stopped. The next best way after viewing several seasons worth of replays would be to do what wont happen most likely, both players be in the same conference at the sametime with the same D AI in place and the units containing carbon copy builds except for the two players in question. Junkie is correct when he does say the high number of tackles can have been generated by the need to help with other areas. So just going off of the PD and INT then lets see whats what shall we?

Comparing the passes defended/game from season 2 through season 6, Jtrav's pre-Victoria days, he's defending an average of 1.974 through his first 78 games with a total of 12 interceptions for the 5 seasons in question. Remember, I'm talking about when both players were playing at roughly the same level of play. My CB for the past 2 seasons has been in SA AA 1, BIG difference between SA AA 1 and USA BBB 8. Now my CB didn't play any ball in season 2 due to having been created on day 44 of season 2 so we will have to go from season 3 to season 6. My CB has averaged 2.281 passes defended through his first 64 games with a total of 21 interceptions.. Taking the information listed and creating the average PD and INT per season it would appear that Jtrav's CB is averaging 29 PD and 2.4 INT a season while mine is averaging 36.5 PD and 5.25INT. Now discounting the above average number of INT my CB had during the time frame in question and basing the numbers off of what could have been an average season my CB would have only had 8 INT and averaged only 2 INT a season. I'll put this in a chart form so its easier for you to track:

Jtrav's CB from season 2-6
Total PD 154, Total INT 12. Average PD/Season 29, Average INT/Season 2.4

Archer's CB from season 3-6
Total PD: 146, Total INT: 21 Average PD/Season: 36.5 Average INT/Season 5.25

Are you able to understand the data provided? Keep in mind that this takes into account the time where both CB were playing at no lower than A level. Also keep in mind that my CB has been playing 1 season less than Jtrav's. I'm coming off as an arrogant ass because I do have whats needed to back up my statements. I hope once the team your SS is on makes it up into USA A6 they're able to stay up there and he stays at, or moves up, to a higher level of play.

paulstorti, I was bored so looked at the reason for so many takes versus passes defended for Jtrav's guy. In season 7 he was making tackles the OLB should have moved to make, he was almost more run stopper at the time. In fact if you do feel up to looking you'll see that the majority of the tackles made arose from getting to the ball carrier before an OLB could so the receiver pulling a hook and shaking Jtrav's CB

Now fire away folks. I've never outright said, possibly implied at times, that a player of mine might be better than another. Cbucks, you wanted empirical data of numbers, I've given that for the time frames where both players were at the same level of play. Since I had no reason, nor desire, to bring my CB, or any players aside from my WR or newly created ones, lower than AA level. I applaud Fetialis for helping out for the stated reason. I would have no problem having a player on one of teams he's a GM on at the AA or higher level.

No you were coming off as an arrogant ass because you weren't backing up your statements well enough before.

No I don't care about empirical data if you read what i said it says

"now let's take a look at their stats seeing as that's what archer cares about the most"

Seeing as it seems you base players off what their stats are during seasons/ games. You still have not shown a replay from either player.

For some reason, your impression of a Corner back is to just cover his man and get pass deflections or interceptions. Yes that is the main role of the corner, but then again the role of the defense man is to stop the ball carrier.

Thus, most likely the situation is Jtrav's guy is probably doing the OLB's job, but how does that bad? If he's getting to the ball faster than any other player and making the tackle then he has done his job as a defense man. Have you ever thought that maybe another cb blew his coverage and jtrav came up and made the tackle the other corner missed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=385076&pbp_id=12849784
You would say here he is doing the OLB's job, I disagree. His player has the vision to see that it is a run, thus he ran to the ball as fast as he could getting to the ball, before any other player. You come off sounding like that you think a corner back getting tackles is a bad thing and that's why you feel your player is better (like you said you imply it).

Originally posted by Cbucks
No you were coming off as an arrogant ass because you weren't backing up your statements well enough before.

No I don't care about empirical data if you read what i said it says

"now let's take a look at their stats seeing as that's what archer cares about the most"

Seeing as it seems you base players off what their stats are during seasons/ games. You still have not shown a replay from either player.

For some reason, your impression of a Corner back is to just cover his man and get pass deflections or interceptions. Yes that is the main role of the corner, but then again the role of the defense man is to stop the ball carrier.

Thus, most likely the situation is Jtrav's guy is probably doing the OLB's job, but how does that bad? If he's getting to the ball faster than any other player and making the tackle then he has done his job as a defense man. Have you ever thought that maybe another cb blew his coverage and jtrav came up and made the tackle the other corner missed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=385076&pbp_id=12849784
You would say here he is doing the OLB's job, I disagree. His player has the vision to see that it is a run, thus he ran to the ball as fast as he could getting to the ball, before any other player. You come off sounding like that you think a corner back getting tackles is a bad thing and that's why you feel your player is better (like you said you imply it).




A play such as the one you showed does indicated good vision. Interesting that your not willing to show anything from the time frame I've taken information from.

Too bad most of the time a pitch or run comes the direction my CB is playing it tends to look something like these, even the ones taken from the time frame I referenced, since I am trying to show you the types of plays your linked. All CBs at one time to another will have to make a run stop.

Season 8
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=380045&pbp_id=5928528 Stopping a run like this?
Season 7
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=295584&pbp_id=4669713
Season 6
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=245009&pbp_id=8603653
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=245010&pbp_id=9228796
Season 4
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=127574&pbp_id=6769374
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=110607&pbp_id=4291789
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=110582&pbp_id=4798721

Too bad most teams in WE and SA don't run left with pitches or without blockers.

All the data and information I've been basing comment on have been from pre-season 7 when BOTH CB were playing at a similar level of play for the most part. Now if your really wanting to compare from when Jtrav's CB was down in BBB 8 for 3 games during season 6 versus the time that was spent at a higher level we can do so.

3 regular season games with Victoria during season 6 Jtrav's CB had 30 tackles 2 Sacks 16PD. 12 games at a higher level of play: 29 Tackles 1 INT 22 PD. As you can see he was making more tackles playing in BBB than he was in A/AA level 10 levels lower. My CB playing an entire season at A level had 44 tackles 15 INT 2 INT TD 77 PD.

Too bad your feeling the need to continually draw your information from the periods of time when Jtrav's CB was playing ball in USA BBB only.

I was just showing you an example that was easy to get seeing as it was the last game he played, if you really want me to go that deep into his career I will.

But, you still have not replied to what I have said, I say it is the corner's job as a defense men to stop the ball. You instead decide to comment yet again about how much better your corner plays then jtravs. This entire time you've just been bragging about how much better your cb is then jtrav's, not flat out saying but as you said implying.

I don't really care who's better or not, you both have created great players. But, by the way your saying it, it seems like you're just trashing jtrav's guy. For example, even though jtrav's character plays extremely well the only arguement you have is this,

'Too bad your feeling the need to continually draw your information from the periods of time when Jtrav's CB was playing ball in USA BBB only."

That's the first reference,

'Are you able to understand the data provided? Keep in mind that this takes into account the time where both CB were playing at no lower than A level. Also keep in mind that my CB has been playing 1 season less than Jtrav's. I'm coming off as an arrogant ass because I do have whats needed to back up my statements. I hope once the team your SS is on makes it up into USA A6 they're able to stay up there and he stays at, or moves up, to a higher level of play"

You didn't flat out say it there, but you were implying it.

You keep brining up about how that your cb played in a higher league, thus IN YOUR eyes making jtrav a lesser player.

One more thing, you started this arguement by trashing two good running backs BASED ON THE FACT they were in this league.

These posts are way too long to keep reading. If you could keep them to one or two sentences in length with lots of name calling it would be much appreciated.

yeah... please keep them to like 3 to 4 sentences.

Originally posted by Cbucks
I was just showing you an example that was easy to get seeing as it was the last game he played, if you really want me to go that deep into his career I will.

But, you still have not replied to what I have said, I say it is the corner's job as a defense men to stop the ball. You instead decide to comment yet again about how much better your corner plays then jtravs. This entire time you've just been bragging about how much better your cb is then jtrav's, not flat out saying but as you said implying.

I don't really care who's better or not, you both have created great players. But, by the way your saying it, it seems like you're just trashing jtrav's guy. For example, even though jtrav's character plays extremely well the only arguement you have is this,

'Too bad your feeling the need to continually draw your information from the periods of time when Jtrav's CB was playing ball in USA BBB only."

That's the first reference,

'Are you able to understand the data provided? Keep in mind that this takes into account the time where both CB were playing at no lower than A level. Also keep in mind that my CB has been playing 1 season less than Jtrav's. I'm coming off as an arrogant ass because I do have whats needed to back up my statements. I hope once the team your SS is on makes it up into USA A6 they're able to stay up there and he stays at, or moves up, to a higher level of play"

You didn't flat out say it there, but you were implying it.

You keep brining up about how that your cb played in a higher league, thus IN YOUR eyes making jtrav a lesser player.

One more thing, you started this arguement by trashing two good running backs BASED ON THE FACT they were in this league.


You are correct that the corner's job is to stop the ball from progressing forward. I started trash talking the two running backs in question due to the fact they started claiming to be the greatest while playing against teams with players many levels below they're own. Many times, this might not be the case, when players of higher level are playing in a lower level league it indicates stat padding attempts.

Archer man, I play this game for fun. I know there is always someone bigger and better, but if I want to be dumb and have a little fun and talk trash, there's nothing wrong with saying i'm the best. Shit maybe i'm not the #1 back, but if you look throughout my RB's career no matter what league he's in, he's been productive/consistent.

my CB prior season 5 was almost completely inactive, and even when i played for the indy hellcats i was only on about twice a wekk. its not til season 6 that i really started understanding and caring. i had already made a decent build just had to fill it out. as for season 6 when i played for whoever it was i was the freakin dime back gettin 30 plays a game. the only reason i made rthe move is i got 3 great players in return, 2 of which are still with me. beyond the blah blah of it though, my CB is better and has played best against the top competition. in usa 4 next season ill be gettin double digit INT's there too. id tell you about it Archer, but you'll still be here for the next 4 seasons.