Warrior General Games

Originally posted by frog-in-pants1
hey im a season 6 noob and my LB goes alright, i say speed is fairly important but me thinks agility is more important than anything. I read a guide with good advice "Firstly your Linebacker must get to the position to make the play" So theres no point in stacking str/tackling unless you can interccept the ball carrier.
My 2 cents

That is another popular build theory that shows a high level of effectiveness. And your last statement COULDN"T BE ANY MORE SPOT ON.

vision/agility > speed/strength

Just build him how you think a linebacker SHOULD be built. You'll probably have some OK seasons, you'll probably have some bad seasons, and you'll probably have some good seasons. The sim changes often. Just build what you want and ride it out.

I just rolled a LB. He is 6'5", 244, so I figure I'll make this guy big on STRENGTH and TACKLING and who knows, maybe by the time he's level 45 it'll be his time.

But I also like my guy to be decent in the lower levels, so I soft capped speed/agi/vision before anything and now I'm working on his STR/TAK.

Originally posted by Rod Long

So you have the only Linebacker in GLB that has an inflated rush bar (quite evident at level 27) from something other than pumping strength. Lafff.

And pumping a combination of only 2 traits significantly over a lack of strength gives you the only possible combination for your scouting bar.

Also your production (or lack thereof) is commensurate with your scouting bars for that level and shows that your ancillary categories are way underdeveloped.

You should be taking the season 6 noob's advice who posted just after you. He as a pretty good grasp right now and can point you in the right direction if you just are gonna stomp your feet at what I say and has been empirically proven effective over 8 season. Take his word for it if you don't want mine.

My high strength LB is an ILB. I guess he shouldn't softcap strength when he takes on Guards? Better to get pancaked than to have the strength and agility to beat the guy?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=399658&pbp_id=8336943
Instead of using my agility to beat the lineman, I should have been weak enough to be pushed onto my butt?

Or when he takes on the Guard in a running play, he should get pancaked instead of holding his ground?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=399658&pbp_id=8336779
I guess he should have 30 strength instead of 60, eh?

My production is similar to the other linebackers on the team around my level. I don't stress out that my lvl 27 LB isn't outperforming a level 39 or level 42 that's on the same team and one the field at the same time. My scouting bars are also similar to the other LBs at the level, and not significantly better or worse.

My two level 27 linebackers have very similar speed. The higher strength one actually has more speed before equipment is factored in. His equipment is all in Agility, and the other LB's equipment is split between Speed, Agility, and Vision. And I have no clue what you think you mean by pumping a combination of two traits. My higher strength LB has 5 stats between 49 and 61, with none higher. My lower strength LB has 4 stats between 49 and 61, with tackling at 45 (and it'll be softcapped at my next level up). He's also got nothing over 61. If I'd built them right, they'd have 2 or 3 stats over 61 by now, but they were my first guys, so they're only mediocre. But they do hold their own against other players their level, and are not significantly better or worse than other LBs of the same level. And the stats they put up are similar to what other LBs of their level are producing on the same team in the same system.

Quite frankly, you have no clue.

Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by gabrielrockman

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If it's a level 1 guy, then it would make the most sense if you trained Speed after you've capped all the important stats - Agility, Strength, Tackling and Vision. Remember, Speed is a secondary attribute for a LB. Doesn't make sense, but that's how it is.

disagree, you'll probably hate your LB and retire him by the time u cap FOUR attributes and see no significant stats

That's simply not true. Speed is the 5th most important stat for a LB.


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I needed a good chuckle today also. Look at his LBs. Sorry bro.

Strength still blows for LBs. Higher tackling is the only mitigating factor now against power backs. Strength isn't helping any. At least in Pro Leagues that is. I can't be quite so sure of the dynamics now in A or Pee wee.

I didn't know I'd left my builds open. Anyways, my lvl 27 LBs were the first two I created, and I've never claimed they had good builds. I did learn from that, and my lvl 18 LB is looking quite nice. I guess your first two try at building a player ended up perfectly, and you never had any learning to do?

Go look at my players. And i didn't have the luxury of a more efficient economy of skill points or 2-5 seasons of forum posts dissecting everything ahead of me or the luxury of boosting late because i wanted to punt the first few seasons, etc.

Yeah, and a season 6 noob could read your builds at 27 from those bars without watching a dot replay. Cmon bro, these are the kinds of posts that prompted my early career LB build guide.

If a season 6 noob could read my builds from those bars, that's really pathetic, because you got them wrong. I guess you aren't even as bright as a season 6 noob.

So you have the only Linebacker in GLB that has an inflated rush bar (quite evident at level 27) from something other than pumping strength. Lafff.

And pumping a combination of only 2 traits significantly over a lack of strength gives you the only possible combination for your scouting bar.

Also your production (or lack thereof) is commensurate with your scouting bars for that level and shows that your ancillary categories are way underdeveloped.

You should be taking the season 6 noob's advice who posted just after you. He as a pretty good grasp right now and can point you in the right direction if you just are gonna stomp your feet at what I say and has been empirically proven effective over 8 season. Take his word for it if you don't want mine.

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Originally posted by gabrielrockman


I don't stress out that my lvl 27 LB isn't outperforming a level 39 or level 42 that's on the same team and one the field at the same time. My scouting bars are also similar to the other LBs at the level, and not significantly better or worse.

Quite frankly, you have no clue.

im sorry dude but from only a few seasons playing this sim iv learned that scouting bars mean SHIT ALL.
u dont have to take on my noob ass advice, just consider it at least.

Originally posted by frog-in-pants1
Originally posted by gabrielrockman



I don't stress out that my lvl 27 LB isn't outperforming a level 39 or level 42 that's on the same team and one the field at the same time. My scouting bars are also similar to the other LBs at the level, and not significantly better or worse.

Quite frankly, you have no clue.

im sorry dude but from only a few seasons playing this sim iv learned that scouting bars mean SHIT ALL.
u dont have to take on my noob ass advice, just consider it at least.

I wasn't the one who brought them up. Rod Long was. So Rod Long needs to take your noob ass advice.

Originally posted by gabrielrockman
Originally posted by frog-in-pants1

Originally posted by gabrielrockman




I don't stress out that my lvl 27 LB isn't outperforming a level 39 or level 42 that's on the same team and one the field at the same time. My scouting bars are also similar to the other LBs at the level, and not significantly better or worse.

Quite frankly, you have no clue.

im sorry dude but from only a few seasons playing this sim iv learned that scouting bars mean SHIT ALL.
u dont have to take on my noob ass advice, just consider it at least.

I wasn't the one who brought them up. Rod Long was. So Rod Long needs to take your noob ass advice.

now im confused.

Originally posted by gabrielrockman
Originally posted by Rod Long


So you have the only Linebacker in GLB that has an inflated rush bar (quite evident at level 27) from something other than pumping strength. Lafff.

And pumping a combination of only 2 traits significantly over a lack of strength gives you the only possible combination for your scouting bar.

Also your production (or lack thereof) is commensurate with your scouting bars for that level and shows that your ancillary categories are way underdeveloped.

You should be taking the season 6 noob's advice who posted just after you. He as a pretty good grasp right now and can point you in the right direction if you just are gonna stomp your feet at what I say and has been empirically proven effective over 8 season. Take his word for it if you don't want mine.

My high strength LB is an ILB. I guess he shouldn't softcap strength when he takes on Guards? Better to get pancaked than to have the strength and agility to beat the guy?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=399658&pbp_id=8336943
Instead of using my agility to beat the lineman, I should have been weak enough to be pushed onto my butt?

Or when he takes on the Guard in a running play, he should get pancaked instead of holding his ground?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=399658&pbp_id=8336779
I guess he should have 30 strength instead of 60, eh?

My production is similar to the other linebackers on the team around my level. I don't stress out that my lvl 27 LB isn't outperforming a level 39 or level 42 that's on the same team and one the field at the same time. My scouting bars are also similar to the other LBs at the level, and not significantly better or worse.

My two level 27 linebackers have very similar speed. The higher strength one actually has more speed before equipment is factored in. His equipment is all in Agility, and the other LB's equipment is split between Speed, Agility, and Vision. And I have no clue what you think you mean by pumping a combination of two traits. My higher strength LB has 5 stats between 49 and 61, with none higher. My lower strength LB has 4 stats between 49 and 61, with tackling at 45 (and it'll be softcapped at my next level up). He's also got nothing over 61. If I'd built them right, they'd have 2 or 3 stats over 61 by now, but they were my first guys, so they're only mediocre. But they do hold their own against other players their level, and are not significantly better or worse than other LBs of the same level. And the stats they put up are similar to what other LBs of their level are producing on the same team in the same system.

Quite frankly, you have no clue.

that first replay is a funny one to use for this argument. when i saw it, i was just thinking that if he had more SPD/AGI, he might've had a shot of getting some pressure on the QB.

not getting pancaked is pretty overrated.
if you don't get to the ball, you don't get to the ball. whether lying on the ground or just being too slow provides the same result.

well i find that my LB doesnt get pancaked too often, mainly due to the fact he is mainly in coverage or m2m situations.
So i guess its horses for courses. But w/o speed and agility my LB would be ineffective for what he does. i hope that makes sense.

He's got over 70 agility after equipment, which is pretty pathetic considering that my level 18 linebacker has over 80 agility after equipment. But its still by far the best agility on the team, and for that matter, its also better than the agility on the level 39 and 42 LBs on the team I own.

Not getting pancaked isn't overrated. I've seen my fullback pancake one player and then block another after that. Getting pushed out of the way isn't helpful either. Just staying there to clog up the play helps.

Agility is the most important attribute for linebackers. Its nearly as important as strength for making tackles, or shedding blocks (probably more), and its necessary to use your speed (speed without agility is useless), as well as being far more important for getting to the right place for anything in between the tackles. You'll also get beaten in coverage on both receiving TEs and elusive HBs if you don't have good agility.

Vision is the next most important attribute for linebackers. It's useful in shedding blocks, and its extremely useful for getting to the right place to stop a run - great agility but no vision means you could get to the right place, but you don't know where that right place is. It's also key for not getting faked out by the QB when in coverage, and for reading the pass route faster.

After that, Strength, Tackling, and Speed all have good cases for being 3rd, 4th, or 5th most important attributes. Obviously, you need all three of them, but the difference between which one you bring to 68 first, and which one you leave at 48 for a while is what to argue. It's also different for each system, and each position. My ILB obviously needs strength the most. A LOLB in coverage on receiving TEs obviously needs speed the most.

i understand the need for all of the other attributes (VIS, STR, TAK, etc), but to call SPD anything other than the 1st or 2nd most important attribute is simply incorrect, imo.

even if you get VIS, STR, TAK up to the 3rd cap, SPD is still more important.
imo, the absolute bare minimum SPD, even for a MLB, is 70 or 75.
hell, 95 SPD for a MLB is kind of like really big breasts. is it absolutely necessary? no. is it nice to have anyway? absolutely.

the fact is, LBs will never win the STR battle. even with 3rd capped STR, a good G will still pancake him. it takes alot less STR to keep from getting pancaked by a FB.
LBs can attempt to keep up in the STR race, but they'll just end up overmatched in STR and too slow.
imo, it's best to accentuate the advantages that defenders do have, which is SPD/AGI.

Originally posted by PollardsVision

imo, it's best to accentuate the advantages that defenders do have, which is SPD/AGI.



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Originally posted by gabrielrockman
Originally posted by Rod Long

Originally posted by Blamo


Originally posted by gabrielrockman



Originally posted by spicymaguro




Originally posted by andrew7taylor





If it's a level 1 guy, then it would make the most sense if you trained Speed after you've capped all the important stats - Agility, Strength, Tackling and Vision. Remember, Speed is a secondary attribute for a LB. Doesn't make sense, but that's how it is.

disagree, you'll probably hate your LB and retire him by the time u cap FOUR attributes and see no significant stats

That's simply not true. Speed is the 5th most important stat for a LB.


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I needed a good chuckle today also. Look at his LBs. Sorry bro.

Strength still blows for LBs. Higher tackling is the only mitigating factor now against power backs. Strength isn't helping any. At least in Pro Leagues that is. I can't be quite so sure of the dynamics now in A or Pee wee.

I didn't know I'd left my builds open. Anyways, my lvl 27 LBs were the first two I created, and I've never claimed they had good builds. I did learn from that, and my lvl 18 LB is looking quite nice. I guess your first two try at building a player ended up perfectly, and you never had any learning to do?

FWIW, my first two players were S1 players (aka they had nobody else to base their builds off of) and one of them is my level 48 LB... and neither have ever really had their build nerfed. Ever since the powerback epidemic began, I've actually started to miss LESS tackles than in other seasons, and at no point have I really put a ton of points into strength or tackling... although when I have put points into those, it's mostly been into tackling... and it would appear to be working so far. My LB plays in a pretty good league and has done pretty well in USAPro scrims, too.


If you want a good linebacker, aim for these attributes by level 32:
95 speed (all equipment stacked here)
68 agility
60 vision

Not hard to do while getting to about 35 strength/tackling (obviously not great, but not defense crippling either). Then after you do that, you can work on all of your support skills (strength, tackling, jumping). But if you aren't getting to the ball, then you aren't doing anybody any good... and speed, agility, and vision (in that order) help you get to the ball fastest.