Warrior General Games

54/57/51 build, plays LOLB

62.xx str
62.xx tackling

+15 Workout warrior
+11 Textbook tackler ( raising to 15 )

Monster Hit - 11

season 8 stats after 3 games ( AAA ), 14 tackles, 0 missed, 1 sack, 2 FF, 5 PD

Season 7 stats ( SA A league though )
16 games, 59 tackles, 0 missed, 4 hurries, 2 sacks, 20 PD, 2 INT, 4 DTD, 14 FF

49 str, 45 tackling in AA league havent missed yet this season and only once last season. imo it has a lot to do with agility. if you have a lot of agility, 65+, you can get by with less str/tak

Originally posted by UMRocks
49 str, 45 tackling in AA league havent missed yet this season and only once last season. imo it has a lot to do with agility. if you have a lot of agility, 65+, you can get by with less str/tak

This x1000. Since agility helps to make tackles quite a bit, and then also does a whole bunch of awesome shit, is it really worth taking tackling past 49 before you have agility to 73?

In other words, I'd much rather have +5 agility than +10 tackling, which is the result of the above scenario. This game still doesn't pay off to be balanced, you can still skimp on a particular stat if you have other, better states that compensate.

Originally posted by Rinker
54/57/51 build, plays LOLB

62.xx str
62.xx tackling

+15 Workout warrior
+11 Textbook tackler ( raising to 15 )

Monster Hit - 11

season 8 stats after 3 games ( AAA ), 14 tackles, 0 missed, 1 sack, 2 FF, 5 PD

Season 7 stats ( SA A league though )
16 games, 59 tackles, 0 missed, 4 hurries, 2 sacks, 20 PD, 2 INT, 4 DTD, 14 FF

I haven't looked at the games you played or your competition level for S7, but those are impressive stats.

Originally posted by drakeborn
Originally posted by Rinker

54/57/51 build, plays LOLB

62.xx str
62.xx tackling

+15 Workout warrior
+11 Textbook tackler ( raising to 15 )

Monster Hit - 11

season 8 stats after 3 games ( AAA ), 14 tackles, 0 missed, 1 sack, 2 FF, 5 PD

Season 7 stats ( SA A league though )
16 games, 59 tackles, 0 missed, 4 hurries, 2 sacks, 20 PD, 2 INT, 4 DTD, 14 FF

I haven't looked at the games you played or your competition level for S7, but those are impressive stats.

Almost all of the FFs were from gutted or CPU teams.

Originally posted by DLight03
Originally posted by drakeborn

Originally posted by Rinker


54/57/51 build, plays LOLB

62.xx str
62.xx tackling

+15 Workout warrior
+11 Textbook tackler ( raising to 15 )

Monster Hit - 11

season 8 stats after 3 games ( AAA ), 14 tackles, 0 missed, 1 sack, 2 FF, 5 PD

Season 7 stats ( SA A league though )
16 games, 59 tackles, 0 missed, 4 hurries, 2 sacks, 20 PD, 2 INT, 4 DTD, 14 FF

I haven't looked at the games you played or your competition level for S7, but those are impressive stats.

Almost all of the FFs were from gutted or CPU teams.

Not surprising.

As i said, it was in the A league.

To CapnEnnui , i run with 60.xx agility atm, taking speed to 63 and then agility to 70 cap next, i want to get his pass defense rating up to 54 at least.

My lvl 39 LB (LOLB/MLB) has 53 STR/TKL and 63 Agility and is now 19-2 in AA (mostly 43+ backs). There have been some mis-tackles in scrimages that have been from Spin and Power Through, so its hard to say right now what attribute I need to bump up. All of them, I'm sure >_>

Originally posted by UMRocks
49 str, 45 tackling in AA league havent missed yet this season and only once last season. imo it has a lot to do with agility. if you have a lot of agility, 65+, you can get by with less str/tak

Exact opposite for me. Last season in AA I played with 65-66 Agil. with tackling at 50-51 and had 18 misses out of 91 possible tackles playing wrap-up. This offseason I jacked tackling up to 59 and haven't had a miss yet. I also dropped 10 VPs into sure tackling.

65-66 agility isn't very high. Mine's at 83, including equipment but not veteran skills, significantly higher. Course I'm still in the A leagues and still haven't faced a good back, and I actually think tackling might be more important this season... but I still don't think going over 49 with skill points is worth it until other things are completed. Aura of Int helps get tackles for me and also helps with other things, particularly blitzing, though blitzing, too, is harder this season... in fact, does anyone have success blitzing at LB this season? What's your secret?

In any case, I missed 9 tackles last season on 105 made. I can't help but think even a tackling of 60 would've only helped me make 3-4 more of those missed ones, since I don't see even 61/61 defenders make every single tackle. Really, they often seem to miss only slightly less than 49/49. It just doesn't seem to pay off enough for the investment, is all.

Originally posted by CapnEnnui
so the lesson is: don't bother raising tackling over 49?

My LB has it at 42 and he hasn't missed a tackle yet. Course we haven't faced a good power HB yet, but he's still never had more tackling problems than teammates who have 60 tackling, and it all makes me think tackling just isn't worth it compared to other stats, including strength (to avoid pancakes/break blocks/stop dives for yards)

It's all about facing the power backs. 60 Strength, 55 tackling suits my LB fine until he goes against a power back and then all bets are off but that is why I have a backup MLB that is a better tackler to put in against those teams. You really can't build a LB that is going to be able to stop a power tackler and at the same time defend a really fast TE or HB in the backfield. Got to pick your poison I guess and go with it.

Originally posted by baumusc
Originally posted by CapnEnnui

so the lesson is: don't bother raising tackling over 49?

My LB has it at 42 and he hasn't missed a tackle yet. Course we haven't faced a good power HB yet, but he's still never had more tackling problems than teammates who have 60 tackling, and it all makes me think tackling just isn't worth it compared to other stats, including strength (to avoid pancakes/break blocks/stop dives for yards)

It's all about facing the power backs. 60 Strength, 55 tackling suits my LB fine until he goes against a power back and then all bets are off but that is why I have a backup MLB that is a better tackler to put in against those teams. You really can't build a LB that is going to be able to stop a power tackler and at the same time defend a really fast TE or HB in the backfield. Got to pick your poison I guess and go with it.

Completely agree, if you're up against a true power back, you're pretty well SOL.

To those saying agility will make up for your tackling/strength, look at the data I posted on the other page and the stats my guy had. His agility modified at that point was over 90.

As for if it's worth it to boost extra Str/Tkl, that's your decision, but I suspect that pretty much every team will be carrying a "true" powerback soon enough, and when you're missing 20-30% of your plays attempted, I suspect that opinion will change.

if 57 str, 63 tkl, and over 90 agility won't stop power backs, why even bother trying?

Seriously though. How are you supposed to stop them if that's not enough?

Originally posted by CapnEnnui
if 57 str, 63 tkl, and over 90 agility won't stop power backs, why even bother trying?

Seriously though. How are you supposed to stop them if that's not enough?

P.O.T.D.

My LB has 55ish strength, 65ish tackling, 80ish agility, and missed a grand total of 7 tackles last season, with none so far this season, in Oceania Pro. Most of the ones last season came when he was playing on Balanced or Power tackling, at that.