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The trade with the level 15 LB went through... today. I initiated it AFTER you already made the trade with your players. All the players have been moved to the Chivas. Who now have a new owner once the team switch finalizes. You didn't ruin the team. The team functions without you. You did however fuck me over. I was going to trade my players and a few others from the chivas to the dragons. Now that you pulled your shit I had to trade even more.

exactly my point
the lvl 15 didn't want to go to the chivas. fuck i dont even know if he wanted to leave before you hack-jobbed the team
you didn't care either way. you moved a lvl 15, for your own players. that's not in the teams best interest. you traded away the starting qb, you traded away the lvl 15, you traded away the corners, for your own players.

if that's not collusion i dont know what is

Go check the definition of collusion btw. You've been using it all this time. Wait actually what YOU did is collusion. You moved your players, and 2 other owners' players to another team that was owned by one of your friends.

i didn't even know the owner before yesterday, you moron
i dont care what kind of playing time i got. i dont need to be a starter. i signed your lvl 15 WR, btw that'll be leaving very shortly, to start over me, remember?
i cared about my friends starting. and i could no longer guarantee that with you becoming ...how ironic... a tyrant

the team i moved to offers the LB you fucked over a starting spot. that's all i asked from you in the first place, if you recall

Oh you not knowing the owner before yesterday is a riot. You fucking made a 5 player trade for cash deal with him, specifically to steal players from the dragons. You didn't give viable replacements, just cash.

Must say, it is kind of quiet when it comes to your players coming to your aid right now. I say we bring ti to the attention of Bort and DD and let them settle who was at fault?

you yourself already stated how 'shitty' of a team it was
want me to send you a lvl 5 wr in my place? do you? i can?

everything i did was in reaction to what YOU started doing
you started moving people from your teams, onto a team you owned. anyone that asked you for a trade, you decided to move for something that you would benefit from

do you see all the 'you' statements in that paragraph?
i was not about to be your pawn. that was your mistake, i'll grant you that. you say that if i had come talk to you, it would have been ok? so i come up to you, and say i want to leave, with my friends, regardless of now, or when my contract was up. you would turn around and trade me just like you did with the lvl 15 lb. he had a team lined up for him, willing to trade with you. and you laughed. clicked reject. and moved him to your own team, for your own gain

gee. let me think why i left. i made a mistake, sorry. plz sign me up to the waiting list to hop on your bandwagon of fun

my friend at lb wanted to quit and delete his account because of you
you didnt even make him a back up. you gave him 9 snaps. and i told you it was going to happen, and you didn't care to fix it. or fix it after the game. or the following day before the game
my friend started to go inactive, and planned on quitting and retiring his guys when he had the chance
and you didn't, don't, will not, care what happens to any players you own, other than your own, or that your friends own

Originally posted by Reject
Must say, it is kind of quiet when it comes to your players coming to your aid right now. I say we bring ti to the attention of Bort and DD and let them settle who was at fault?

Already tried. Said they can't undo trade unless its specifically to a team he owned.

As for aspen, no I wouldn't want any more of your players. Don't care if they're yours or if they come from that player.

I wouldn't have let you go but I would have traded you off if you asked me, because I TRUSTED YOU. You helped build up the team and I understand that. I wouldn't make this public if you didn't pull this shit. I would have let you go because you DID do a lot for the team. But it doesn't matter if you help me but in the end screw me over.

and one more thing, before i have to leave
you make it sound like i wanted to leave. that i snuck away and vanished
horseshit

i didn't want to leave. that was my home. i brought in HALF of the entire team. i built the roster, along with r3. i loved playing there. after my lb got jobbed by a shitty owner, the dragons were my favorite team. guess what? you storm in with egotistical fancies, and decided to change the make-up of what was a playoff team. and it's your team. hack away. you can re-make it with all your own players, and when you win pat yourself on the back, or when you lose you can scold your own guys. i didn't want to watch my player, or my friend's player, end up as your tool in moving your own guys around. we paid money to play this game, just like you did. what gives you the right to ignore any input from us? i asked you politely, i helped you over the season, i was up at 4am on the forums helping out your team. and everything i did, you turned your back on me, my requests, and any feelings i had or my friends had, along with the rest of your team

you say whatever helps YOU sleep at night. every single player on your roster would agree what you did was shit, was underhanded, and is now stuck somewhere. and how about the other rosters? the practice squad? the chivas? whoever else? you traded and folded other teams to form your one super team. how many human players over there get to watch you play god, and fold teams, ruin chemistry, and ruin other human players chances to enjoy this game?
your whirlwind of actions to merge YOUR players together is the entire reason this happened. secret deals with you and your friends. that's why you're mad at me. any player not on your friends rosters you needed bait to toss around, to get your own players together

you should be ashamed at your ownership tenure. but you're not, i know

This is getting ugly...

Indeed it is.

Won't last any longer. I'm out of this bullshit. I now have to build up Moscow and deal with the shitty chemistry. Aspen can go on his way.

Where's the popcorn smiley when you need it?

Let's put this to rest, k? I have no intention of sitting on these forums battling wits with either of you, especially considering my current situation.

My experience with this situation has been as follows: (as unbiased as I can make it)

I woke up to see that my GM abilities were gone, and no messages as to why or to what purpose. I have to do a bit of digging for myself and find that Aspen has moved off his players to another team. I check the forum and find that Tyrant is going to sell his other two teams and move most of his own players to the Dragons. Most of the line-up that Aspen and I worked to move to the Dragons during the off-season were benched or moved off to another team. Several messages to Tyrant and from Aspen have been angry and assuming (Tyrant) and wishes of good luck (from Aspen). That brings us to this.

Tyrant, in all honesty the Dragons have felt abandoned for some time. It's hard to say when this first started, but your lack of care for your players has something to do with it. You didn't take the blunt of this particular load, as I got most of the messages from the players. These ranged from unhappiness over god knows how many things to threats to go to Bort. I informed you of these problems, most of which you ignored or told me to trade off as soon as possible. Aspen and I had many different conversations over this, we felt abandoned too. You admittedly spent most of your time with the Chivas, and I did most of the day to day operations. It obviously didn't help you went into business with a falling USA Pro team and moved off a lot of your players to that team. That was around the time I was appointed to full GM, you had no real time for the Dragons. You guised this under the fact that the game wasn't fun for you anymore, and this was the reason you were moving off your players to different teams (this included our starting QB for the Dragons, leaving it in the hands of a QB who you personally said you'd choke after he threw a late interception in a loss to a team whose name escapes me currently.

I got a lot of angry messages from this, and I made up some bullshit about you doing it for the integrity of the game and that we'd be just as good. You may have a case in saying that aspen abandoned you (certainly not without cause), but I was in your corner until you removed me from it.

By and by, you made hasty decisions at horrible times and gave no thought to anyone but yourself. I stood by you, but my loyalty has not been justly rewarded. You've contradicted your own moves in a matter of weeks and your players have been around more blocks in a matter of a week or two than most call-girls. I guess the USA team didn't go through, but apparently your thoughts of the "integrity" of the game disappeared, and now you want all of your players on one team. I don't know what goes through your head, and I suppose I shouldn't try to divine such, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

Good luck to you, and your players. Likewise to Aspen. Good day to you all.