Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Drewg81
By the time the WR is by him, the QB has already targeted someone else.
In fairness, Drew's team gets ridiculous pressure on the quarterback. On teams where the QB is holding it longer, low speed may be more of a liability. In general, though, I agree with him. Speed doesn't seem to be of paramount importance anymore, especially now that it seems like most catches are WRs stopping and coming back to the ball.

Originally posted by Magnitude
Originally posted by dlee1019

Agility is the most important. I GM'd for this team last season, and the DE in this play had ok speed (can't give specifics), but very, very high agility. He moves like a freaking HB:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310293&pbp_id=13148895

My DE, Mr. Pass Rush on the other side was all speed at the time, and moves slower.

In Season 7, I disagree that Agility > Speed for DE's. My DE has performed really well in a very tight conference for two consecutive seasons, with 90-100 agility (plus 5 on boosting days). Yet this season he was dire. I checked out some DE's who were doping well in our conference and it's all about speed. Maybe this changes for S8, but for now, my equipment is jumping ship to speed

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=548082

This was my agility 1st DE who got 69 sacks last year. The key was playing him at LDE were he went up against slower OT's

Ah, mine was at RDE (he'd been LDE in the past and been terrible). He moved to RDE for two seasons and was on the top 10 list for hurries and sacks...then this season? Nothing.

Originally posted by Drs
85 isnt that high. I have 85-95 speed and im not that fast I think.

to rephrase your title.

Agility is the end-all be-all skill. imo

+1

Originally posted by badhands
Right, I've heard in several places that 85 is the "minimum" speed needed for a CB. I was just curious if high enough vision to anticipate the play, and good jumping could make up for say... 65/70 speed.

Maybe with a zone defense, speed wouldn't be so important?



actually that's exactly yhe type of CB you want for a zone.

I can attest to not needing 85+ speed to be effective at CB. One team I am on has the majority of the guys in the 70-75 speed range with agility being no more than 5 points behind the speed. We've had no problem keeping up with the 100+ speed WRs that everybody seems to have. Have also either led or been in the top 2 of all defenses in our league in PDs over the past couple of seasons, while being one of the last teams in terms of pressure on the QB. We run 100% man-to-man with our CBs.

Speed is not the end-all-be-all.

My level 50 corner has speed of 90 and agility of 80 (well it will be once I get my level 48 EQ!) and I am not planning on taking it any higher than that. With 10 points also in track star, this means his speed is actually closer to 97.

His vision is now nearly at the 2 cap and I am planning on getting jumping there too. What I am hoping is that eventually getting vision to the 3 cap and getting Level 56 equipment in there is going to give him the edge on receivers because his vision will be so high.

Originally posted by magicalmrrich
My level 50 corner has speed of 90 and agility of 80 (well it will be once I get my level 48 EQ!) and I am not planning on taking it any higher than that. With 10 points also in track star, this means his speed is actually closer to 97.

His vision is now nearly at the 2 cap and I am planning on getting jumping there too. What I am hoping is that eventually getting vision to the 3 cap and getting Level 56 equipment in there is going to give him the edge on receivers because his vision will be so high.

vision/agility is more imp. than speed at this point(lvl 50) for your player.

Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by magicalmrrich

My level 50 corner has speed of 90 and agility of 80 (well it will be once I get my level 48 EQ!) and I am not planning on taking it any higher than that. With 10 points also in track star, this means his speed is actually closer to 97.

His vision is now nearly at the 2 cap and I am planning on getting jumping there too. What I am hoping is that eventually getting vision to the 3 cap and getting Level 56 equipment in there is going to give him the edge on receivers because his vision will be so high.

vision/agility is more imp. than speed at this point(lvl 50) for your player.

That is why I said speed/agility will never be any higher than that. Agility will be taken care of with veteran points from now on, as it will already be 80 when I get my 48 EQ in a day or two.

Vision is already 61 and will be increased as this season progresses. Jumping is at 53 at the moment, probably next season this will be increased to 61.

Going to be tough to know what to do when get to level 56 EQ. Will probably end up going into vision at that point to take it to 72.

Originally posted by magicalmrrich
Originally posted by Granted86

Originally posted by magicalmrrich


My level 50 corner has speed of 90 and agility of 80 (well it will be once I get my level 48 EQ!) and I am not planning on taking it any higher than that. With 10 points also in track star, this means his speed is actually closer to 97.

His vision is now nearly at the 2 cap and I am planning on getting jumping there too. What I am hoping is that eventually getting vision to the 3 cap and getting Level 56 equipment in there is going to give him the edge on receivers because his vision will be so high.

vision/agility is more imp. than speed at this point(lvl 50) for your player.

That is why I said speed/agility will never be any higher than that. Agility will be taken care of with veteran points from now on, as it will already be 80 when I get my 48 EQ in a day or two.

Vision is already 61 and will be increased as this season progresses. Jumping is at 53 at the moment, probably next season this will be increased to 61.

Going to be tough to know what to do when get to level 56 EQ. Will probably end up going into vision at that point to take it to 72.


i was talking about the vxp in track star, if speed is at 90(with equipment) the va's there could be better used in other areas

I hate to break it to the high agil CBs, but I speculate that a shit storm is coming next year. Last season, agility was definitely the way to go, but this change may throw that out the window:

"- QB has a better ability to lead the WR. I've rewritten the method for calculating throwing angles and targets."

Last season, if the WR got a step or two on you, then the QB systematically threw it behind the receiver, allowing the DB to catch up at the last minute and at least make the tackle or even make a deflection.

On rare occasion, the QB did lead the wide out correctly when he had a step, and every single time I saw that happen last season it was a TD. It wasn't just on streaks either. Saw it happen once at least on a skinny post.

I don't know how it will actually play out, and I'm not about to retire my CB or rearrange all my equipment before the season, but depending on how drastic that change will be, I think that agility may be back where it was in season 1. All speculation at this point, but what do you guys think?

My speed with Vet abilities is around 97...My agility somewhere near 80 I maintain that speed is by far most important. I very rarely ever get beat for more then ten yards.

Originally posted by CG
I hate to break it to the high agil CBs, but I speculate that a shit storm is coming next year. Last season, agility was definitely the way to go, but this change may throw that out the window:

"- QB has a better ability to lead the WR. I've rewritten the method for calculating throwing angles and targets."

Last season, if the WR got a step or two on you, then the QB systematically threw it behind the receiver, allowing the DB to catch up at the last minute and at least make the tackle or even make a deflection.

On rare occasion, the QB did lead the wide out correctly when he had a step, and every single time I saw that happen last season it was a TD. It wasn't just on streaks either. Saw it happen once at least on a skinny post.

I don't know how it will actually play out, and I'm not about to retire my CB or rearrange all my equipment before the season, but depending on how drastic that change will be, I think that agility may be back where it was in season 1. All speculation at this point, but what do you guys think?


Was a little worried about it but after watching the first sim, no WRs were pulling away. Considering my CB is at only 80 speed, he is not considered a shutdown corner CB for his level. He didn't get juked by an WR moves during the game.

Originally posted by dlee1019
Agility is the most important. I GM'd for this team last season, and the DE in this play had ok speed (can't give specifics), but very, very high agility. He moves like a freaking HB:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=310293&pbp_id=13148895

My DE, Mr. Pass Rush on the other side was all speed at the time, and moves slower.

on my team the speed based DE is doing better then the agility based DE, I mean, the speed DE was leading the league in sacks last season while the agility DE had half the sacks...

Higher speed is going to be needed. So is higher vision. With the success rate of pump fakes turning into receiver leads for touchdowns, the more people see this, the more they will do it. Which will consequently make all corners have to be faster.