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easy there killers. i posted 3rd cap spd/agi/vis cuz thats what i believe is best and what i have currently done with my SS. At level 25 i have spd and vis 3rd capped, and agility ~55 with working on getting that up to 68 soon. Training is also a beautiful thing if you plan it out. I've been able to get strength/tackling/stamina all up to 30 already as well and since i'm currently in just a BBB league, powerbacks aren't that hard to stop. Of course jumping/catching/confidence have been sacrificed to this point, but i'm just fine with that.
Of course there are many ways to build, and many ways to argue our points, but dont just rip other peoples ideas.

Originally posted by Challenge Everything

I also find it funny how many people consider raising vision up high has a diminishing return or lack of effectiveness... do these same people believe this about speed and other skills? Logically, if one believes it about vision, they will have to believe it about other skills as well.

I have officially come to the conclusion you are fucking retarded. I put it clear as day that even If I wanted to triple cap vision I could still do it by level 32. Have triple capped speed agility and vision by level 32. and still have over 30 in everything else. I don't know how much clear I could have been.

I am not triple capping vision. I am only double capping it. I am in the process of capping catching for shits a gigs.

You come on here and said it's impossible to go 68/68/68 by level 32 and you said you'd only have low 20 in everything else. Hey I just proved you wrong. My guy is heading for,and can very well have 68/68/68 by 32 and he won't be low 20's in nothing but STR. fucktard.

Oh and by the way? I coined the Phase "the big three" just so you know.

Well I'm 3rd capping speed right now for sure, then I'll move onto 3rd capping agility (while training tackling/jumping/confidence/stamina)

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Challenge Everything
I also find it funny how many people consider raising vision up high has a diminishing return or lack of effectiveness... do these same people believe this about speed and other skills? Logically, if one believes it about vision, they will have to believe it about other skills as well. I have officially come to the conclusion you are fucking retarded. I put it clear as day that even If I wanted to triple cap vision I could still do it by level 32. Have triple capped speed agility and vision by level 32. and still have over 30 in everything else. I don't know how much clear I could have been.

I am not triple capping vision. I am only double capping it. I am in the process of capping catching for shits a gigs.

You come on here and said it's impossible to go 68/68/68 by level 32 and you said you'd only have low 20 in everything else. Hey I just proved you wrong. My guy is heading for,and can very well have 68/68/68 by 32 and he won't be low 20's in nothing but STR. fucktard.

Oh and by the way? I coined the Phase "the big three" just so you know.
Wow, how old are you that you resort to name calling like that? You have also gone about building your character in uncommon ways by slow building them for 2+ seasons. Are you suggesting everybody slow build their player for 2+ seasons before "playing" the game for real? So, by slow building a player for 2+ seasons you can have better skills than others... duh, this is no secret.

By level 32 since you have suggested that as the barometer... give me a player that has capped tackling, stamina and upped confidence in the 30's and that player will be more effective than the player you are building.

Originally posted by
Physical Attributes
Strength: 18.67
Speed: 85.7 (66.7)
Agility: 65.67
Jumping: 23.67
Stamina: 26.7
Vision: 51.7
Confidence: 13.67

Football Skills
Blocking: 13.67
Catching: 27.7
Tackling: 24.7
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 13.67
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

You have 9 levels before making level 32 and a rough estimate of ~20 points from training to distribute along with 45 skill points. You mentioned you are going to cap catching and assuming you are not training that... that will take away 21 skill points leaving you with 44 skill points to distribute, given the above assumption. Hey, for purposes sake, lets add 4 skill points just to increase the weight... you now have 45 skill points to distribute... where do they go? Not to mention the +8 from equipment... so add those in as well... 53 total.

Now, mind you, you have slow built him for 2+ seasons. A person who does a normal slow build of just over a season to reach level 13 (~18-20 games) will not have similar stats due to the decrease of training. That extra season of training you have had, by whatever means you used, have given you roughly ~20-25 more skill points from training in the early stages. So, if you would like, I will go with the lower estimate, but work out two sets of numbers for our giggles, of course.

Where do you put the extra 53 skill points (2+ seasons of slow building that very few people do) vs. the more than normal 28 skill points of a normal D-leaguer. GO!!

Originally posted by Challenge Everything
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I also find it funny how many people consider raising vision up high has a diminishing return or lack of effectiveness... do these same people believe this about speed and other skills? Logically, if one believes it about vision, they will have to believe it about other skills as well.

Completely disagree with the last statement. I believe super-high vision yields diminishing returns because there is only so well you can "see" a play before you've reached precognition. Speed and agility (and most other attributes in the game) are not this way--there isn't a limit to how fast you can be, or how agile you can be. In terms of the marginal return on points spent, in my opinion it's most effective not to allocate a ton of SP to getting vision really high with only a small expected return, whereas the same SP spent on, say, strength could have a huge impact.

My 2 cents would be to 3rd cap agility. 3rd capping speed I don't think would hurt in any way considering the roll of a FS. I just like the idea of the FS being able to move laterally faster instead of vertically. You are the last line of defense so most of the time you spend in the backfield moving from side to side. Unless you are on a bad defensive squad that gives up big gains a lot and you are getting burnt every play then you would need more speed to catch the play maker before he runs it all the way for a TD. I wouldn't take vision to the third cap either. Vision I think is fine at 60+. Like many have stated, once you recognize the play you know where the ball is going. I believe higher agility and speed will help you get to the ball carrier better once you recognize the play however, some people think vision helps you get a better direct line to the ball carrier. IMO the direct line is changing so much that it ultimately come down to agility and speed. Having 60+ vision will help you recognize the play then having higher agility and speed will help you make the play faster. I can't remember if there is a tackling and jumping training but I'm pretty sure there is. If there is I would train that while you work on 3rd capping agi and/or speed.

On a similar but different note.. I am a level 14 FS and have speed double capped and Vision almost soft capped. Should I second cap Vision so I can train agility as much as possible before I go for 3rd cap agility? or should I soft cap vision and go for double capping agility while training jumping and tackling? Thanks.

Originally posted by Southfla
On a similar but different note.. I am a level 14 FS and have speed double capped and Vision almost soft capped. Should I second cap Vision so I can train agility as much as possible before I go for 3rd cap agility? or should I soft cap vision and go for double capping agility while training jumping and tackling? Thanks.
I am in this dilemma with my two newer safeties. I think I am going to soft cap vision first, before agility, even though vision is a couple of points behind agility right now because when I am looking to soft cap agility, I will be able to train agility/tackling for each of them instead of training vision/confidence.

Originally posted by Challenge Everything
Originally posted by UMRocks

Originally posted by aotke1110

3rd cap all 3 while training str and tackling+1. not a horrible idea at all, you will definitely want them all 3rd capped by mid 30's
It is a horrible idea. You are telling someone to spend their first 28-33 levels building up three skills and only three skills all the while neglecting many other important aspects to that player.

If someone is going to spend that amount of time building those three skills, most if not all of their other skills are going to be less than 20. A level 32, any player, with less than 20 in stamina is just about useless as is a FS with less than 20 in confidence, tackling, strength and stamina. So, that player needs to spend the next ~10 levels building those up just to now become a viable player that can help a team in the whole game.

Give me a FS that caps those three stats at ~60 each with a soft cap stamina, so he can play the whole game and be effective and I will show you a winning team. A team with a 68/68/68 FS is going to have to carry at least 3 FS's to fill that spot during the whole game. But, hey, if you want to spend the first 32 levels of your players career along with the first 4 seasons of that players career building up three skills... have fun with that.

my lvl. 28 FS has 70 natural SPD, 68 AGI and 56 VIS (only taking it to 60).
his catching, jumping and stamina are all over 29. not huge, but not less than 20 either.

he's been a whole lot of fun so far and he's far from useless.

Originally posted by PollardsVision
my lvl. 28 FS has 70 natural SPD, 68 AGI and 56 VIS (only taking it to 60).
his catching, jumping and stamina are all over 29. not huge, but not less than 20 either.

he's been a whole lot of fun so far and he's far from useless.
I am not asking for you to open your build, but where are strength, tackling, confidence as well?

Originally posted by Challenge Everything
Originally posted by PollardsVision

my lvl. 28 FS has 70 natural SPD, 68 AGI and 56 VIS (only taking it to 60).
his catching, jumping and stamina are all over 29. not huge, but not less than 20 either.

he's been a whole lot of fun so far and he's far from useless.
I am not asking for you to open your build, but where are strength, tackling, confidence as well?


tackling is 25 and STR and CON are both under 20.

he's moving up a league this year, so his lack of well-roundedness could certainly hurt, but i love where he's at right now.

for the first 28 levels, he was exciting (always being the fastest guy on the field) and the offensive players weren't good enough to take advantage of his weaknesses yet.
i think he'll have those other things by the time he actually needs them.

right now, he's like a HS recruit that is blazing fast, lightning quick, and has a solid football IQ, but lacks some strength and conditioning.