Warrior General Games

Originally posted by bigcc
Originally posted by staggart

my point about strength getting less effective as you get higher level and points would be better spent else where is this:

You only use strength when you make contact with an opponent( ie breaking tackles and blocking)
For all intensive purposes you use speed/agi with or without the ball and running routes, it also effects breaking tackles and blocking

so in my opinion once you reach around 80 strength you are better off pumping up speed and investing in some break tackle equipment

since break tackle equipment and Lower Shoulder is based on a percentage wouldnt it be smarter to have more strength then?

how many tackles did you break using lower shoulder? probably not many. It seems most tackles are just broken based off of base stats rather than sas

Originally posted by staggart
Originally posted by bigcc

Originally posted by staggart


my point about strength getting less effective as you get higher level and points would be better spent else where is this:

You only use strength when you make contact with an opponent( ie breaking tackles and blocking)
For all intensive purposes you use speed/agi with or without the ball and running routes, it also effects breaking tackles and blocking

so in my opinion once you reach around 80 strength you are better off pumping up speed and investing in some break tackle equipment

since break tackle equipment and Lower Shoulder is based on a percentage wouldnt it be smarter to have more strength then?

how many tackles did you break using lower shoulder? probably not many. It seems most tackles are just broken based off of base stats rather than sas

theres no way to tell as it doesn't say when lower shoulder activates, it just counts as a broken tackle, besides I only have the skill at 3 atm

I have 68 strength and broke 129 tackles and I do not run on power

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=73615&playoffs=0

The Power Through SA suggests that either a certain amount of strength is needed for it to work, or that higher degrees of strength make it work better. No one knows which is true, but I'm airing on the safe side and taking my strength as high as possible (I 4th capped it a while back, it's mid 70s without equipment now). Have yet to get the desired results because my minors still need work but I'm only level 37 and it's a work in progress. But I am a big believer in going the extra mile with strength just to be safe when considering that Power Through MIGHT work a little bit better with each extra point in strength.

Originally posted by staggart
I have 68 strength and broke 129 tackles and I do not run on power

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=73615&playoffs=0



you also had 2.5 times as many carries as I did.

Carrying skill is the bomb when it comes to breaking tackles. I want to see a back who is speed, agility and carrying based over strength and see how that plays out.

Originally posted by Jack Del Rio
The Power Through SA suggests that either a certain amount of strength is needed for it to work, or that higher degrees of strength make it work better. No one knows which is true, but I'm airing on the safe side and taking my strength as high as possible (I 4th capped it a while back, it's mid 70s without equipment now). Have yet to get the desired results because my minors still need work but I'm only level 37 and it's a work in progress. But I am a big believer in going the extra mile with strength just to be safe when considering that Power Through MIGHT work a little bit better with each extra point in strength.

That makes the most sense to me, and it's what I've been thinking for the past 3-4 seasons. At the same time I remember people debating over SAs working off of base attributes, somehow it seems like Bort said that they're independent. But it would make complete sense that at the bare minimum certain attributes pair with certain SAs, so it seems that they work off of them when they really compound the effect by working together.

Bort said they're independent, but I think he means they are independent unless specifically stated in the description, which is the case with power through. Otherwise the description needs to GO!

Originally posted by bigcc
Originally posted by staggart

I have 68 strength and broke 129 tackles and I do not run on power

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=73615&playoffs=0



you also had 2.5 times as many carries as I did.

I run on combo

Originally posted by staggart
Originally posted by bigcc

Originally posted by staggart


I have 68 strength and broke 129 tackles and I do not run on power

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=73615&playoffs=0



you also had 2.5 times as many carries as I did.

I run on combo

I run on -70, not even the full 100, so its not that much of a difference

As far as I know your running style has no effect on how many tackles you break.

My assumption was that Power Through and Lower Shoulder SAs were independent of strength but they were cumulative with your total tackle breaking chance. So each increasing any area would yield more broken tackles. Strength to the 4:1 before carrying to the 2:1 might not be worth it; but who knows the actual impact from each stat. Strength might be worth 4:1 when compared to carrying; who knows.

I usually base effectiveness on how many broken tackles per rush. It seems like good power rushers are breaking tackles over 50% of the time; I've seen some as high as 66%.

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Originally posted by Viscount

Well I'm aiming for 80 strength without equipment on my power HB.
What do you think the tradeoff will be for having done so? In other words, what will your HB have given up to have made that many 3-for-1 and 4-1 SP purchases?

I don't think there'll be much of a tradeoff. Top speed HBs or WRs generally have 100+ speed so I don't see why the same shouldn't go for power HBs.
That's a pretty poor comparison imo.

Originally posted by coach
Originally posted by Viscount

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader


Originally posted by Viscount


Well I'm aiming for 80 strength without equipment on my power HB.
What do you think the tradeoff will be for having done so? In other words, what will your HB have given up to have made that many 3-for-1 and 4-1 SP purchases?

I don't think there'll be much of a tradeoff. Top speed HBs or WRs generally have 100+ speed so I don't see why the same shouldn't go for power HBs.
That's a pretty poor comparison imo.

Why?

Top speed HBs and WRs are attempting to break away from DBs and LBs who have speed in the 90s. So that's only a 10 point gap. Meanwhile, the strength gap you're talking about is going to be around 40.

Originally posted by coach
Top speed HBs and WRs are attempting to break away from DBs and LBs who have speed in the 90s. So that's only a 10 point gap. Meanwhile, the strength gap you're talking about is going to be around 40.

Well doesn't higher strength mean you'll break more tackles? When HBs play against lower level teams they break lot's of tackles due to the vast difference between their own strength and the weaker defenders, so wouldn't it be good to keep that difference in strength against similarly levelled players?