Originally posted by sporelli
Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by sporelli
I know what you're saying about man to man, but if I played loose/aggressive coverage with like 80+ speed, 60+ jumping and catching, and 68+ vision, I would think I'd be able to make some plays. The only thing I'd be worried about are those straight deep routes, where a speed guy would just fly right by, but thats why you have safeties, lol.
This is kind of a stupid pondering, but what if you put all equipment into jumping and had it 90-100? How high do you think a player like that would be able to jump? High enough to shoot up in the air and just grab any ball in his direction, or what?
Another thought is to just slowbuild an exact speed WR build on a CB, basically neglecting tackling and strength, and work catching up to 60+, so it would basically be like 2 WRs going for a pass, but my guy gets the first roll. I think thats the basic build right now anyways, minus high catching, which seems to be a stat that gets neglected by most corners.
your forgetting agility, w.o that high enough, wr's will be able to run post and underneath routes against your cb , will go right by ur cb(agility is now linked to acceleration)... even tho you will have what is takes to get the int, you wont be able to change speeds and direction fast enough, so u wont give up the big play by playing loose but u will get ALOT of tackles because you will be stopping wr's after they make the catch i.o making sure wr's dont make the catch in the first place ... which is what a cb is for
the qb doesnt throw the ball to the cb, which is why the cb gets the first roll, when the roll happens its basically your cb abilities minus the wr abilites
speed and agility get u in a postion to challenege for the ball, if u dont have those to keep up with the wr, all the vision/jumping/catching will be useless
as for getting ints while playing loose coverage ... good luck with that lol, ur lack of agility will make it impossible to close fast enough on the ball to get the int
Unless Doc Brown let you sit shotgun in the Delorian, I don't see how you can claim that success with this build would be impossible. I know what you're saying, and I agree to an extent, but this all just kind of experimental to see what else is out there. I dont think that anyone could say definitively that this build wouldnt work and claim that the most popular CB build is the best way to go, because no one that I have seen has taken this route all the way through. Instead, almost everyone out there just restates what everyone else considers to be a good build without any real data from the other side to back it up.
I have another CB with the "normal" build, and he's relatively productive, but just because he and many others like him have had decent careers, and everyone and their mom has been building CBs the same way since season 1 so that they all look exactly the same, doesnt necessarily mean its the best possible way to do it.
I'm willing to bet that 3 seasons ago, if Rod Long was out here talking about making a LB with a focus on speed, agility and vision, he would have been met with mostly naysayers, and told that he wont have the strength to break through or the tackling to stop the run, that it would be "impossible" to get sacks, but look at LBs now.
I'm not saying this build is going to work, or that Im some visionary. Im just curious, and odds are that this will end in miserable failure. But I think that, possibly, this might end up better than the norm. And if not, I'll probably just try something else.
im NOT saying its impossible just letting u kno why it is highly unlikely ... and trying to clairify the cb getting the first roll ... if the wr got the first roll, beacuse the qb is throwing the ball to him, pd's and ints would almost never happen, cb gets first roll because the qb is throwing the ball AWAY from the cb and TO the wr, so having a "WR" style cb would be great if the QB threw the ball right to him, but that doesnt happen ...
what i am saying is based on results, EVERY cb on my team has better catching then mine but my cb was moved to #1 b.c of their lack of effectiveness, and ironically had the most ints (12) with catching at 20, where it still is, this year his ints are down significantly because of his PD AEQ ...
we do have a cb on our team with that build, catching, vision and speed maxed, agility lacking he now plays on special teams ... im not telling you not to do it just explaining logically why its not as effective .. just remember to make a play on the ball u have to be where the ball is ... but i wish u all the luck with ur cb
Ps. agents stress speed AND agility as most imp because speed determines how fast u CAN go , but agility determines how fast u can get to that speed, basically they go hand in hand
Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by sporelli
I know what you're saying about man to man, but if I played loose/aggressive coverage with like 80+ speed, 60+ jumping and catching, and 68+ vision, I would think I'd be able to make some plays. The only thing I'd be worried about are those straight deep routes, where a speed guy would just fly right by, but thats why you have safeties, lol.
This is kind of a stupid pondering, but what if you put all equipment into jumping and had it 90-100? How high do you think a player like that would be able to jump? High enough to shoot up in the air and just grab any ball in his direction, or what?
Another thought is to just slowbuild an exact speed WR build on a CB, basically neglecting tackling and strength, and work catching up to 60+, so it would basically be like 2 WRs going for a pass, but my guy gets the first roll. I think thats the basic build right now anyways, minus high catching, which seems to be a stat that gets neglected by most corners.
your forgetting agility, w.o that high enough, wr's will be able to run post and underneath routes against your cb , will go right by ur cb(agility is now linked to acceleration)... even tho you will have what is takes to get the int, you wont be able to change speeds and direction fast enough, so u wont give up the big play by playing loose but u will get ALOT of tackles because you will be stopping wr's after they make the catch i.o making sure wr's dont make the catch in the first place ... which is what a cb is for
the qb doesnt throw the ball to the cb, which is why the cb gets the first roll, when the roll happens its basically your cb abilities minus the wr abilites
speed and agility get u in a postion to challenege for the ball, if u dont have those to keep up with the wr, all the vision/jumping/catching will be useless
as for getting ints while playing loose coverage ... good luck with that lol, ur lack of agility will make it impossible to close fast enough on the ball to get the int
Unless Doc Brown let you sit shotgun in the Delorian, I don't see how you can claim that success with this build would be impossible. I know what you're saying, and I agree to an extent, but this all just kind of experimental to see what else is out there. I dont think that anyone could say definitively that this build wouldnt work and claim that the most popular CB build is the best way to go, because no one that I have seen has taken this route all the way through. Instead, almost everyone out there just restates what everyone else considers to be a good build without any real data from the other side to back it up.
I have another CB with the "normal" build, and he's relatively productive, but just because he and many others like him have had decent careers, and everyone and their mom has been building CBs the same way since season 1 so that they all look exactly the same, doesnt necessarily mean its the best possible way to do it.
I'm willing to bet that 3 seasons ago, if Rod Long was out here talking about making a LB with a focus on speed, agility and vision, he would have been met with mostly naysayers, and told that he wont have the strength to break through or the tackling to stop the run, that it would be "impossible" to get sacks, but look at LBs now.
I'm not saying this build is going to work, or that Im some visionary. Im just curious, and odds are that this will end in miserable failure. But I think that, possibly, this might end up better than the norm. And if not, I'll probably just try something else.
im NOT saying its impossible just letting u kno why it is highly unlikely ... and trying to clairify the cb getting the first roll ... if the wr got the first roll, beacuse the qb is throwing the ball to him, pd's and ints would almost never happen, cb gets first roll because the qb is throwing the ball AWAY from the cb and TO the wr, so having a "WR" style cb would be great if the QB threw the ball right to him, but that doesnt happen ...
what i am saying is based on results, EVERY cb on my team has better catching then mine but my cb was moved to #1 b.c of their lack of effectiveness, and ironically had the most ints (12) with catching at 20, where it still is, this year his ints are down significantly because of his PD AEQ ...
we do have a cb on our team with that build, catching, vision and speed maxed, agility lacking he now plays on special teams ... im not telling you not to do it just explaining logically why its not as effective .. just remember to make a play on the ball u have to be where the ball is ... but i wish u all the luck with ur cb
Ps. agents stress speed AND agility as most imp because speed determines how fast u CAN go , but agility determines how fast u can get to that speed, basically they go hand in hand
