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my team is loyal, for a bunch of pirates. we got a few in the early 30s, and 1 at 41. he's way out of the suggested levels, and I hope to heck he don't leave because of this. he is essential to us ever being promoted. a majority of mine are still in the range, and because of that, we have no prayer of being promoted to A. next season will even be next to impossible.

I understand the complaint, and I agree.

USA BBB is stronger than the other BBB leagues, simply because they have been around longer, and a few boosts to suggested levels should be considered.

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Originally posted by Jack Kilbourne
my team is loyal, for a bunch of pirates. we got a few in the early 30s, and 1 at 41. he's way out of the suggested levels, and I hope to heck he don't leave because of this. he is essential to us ever being promoted. a majority of mine are still in the range, and because of that, we have no prayer of being promoted to A. next season will even be next to impossible.

I understand the complaint, and I agree.

USA BBB is stronger than the other BBB leagues, simply because they have been around longer, and a few boosts to suggested levels should be considered.

Jack the Pirate


I dont think that lvl 41 guy will be hurt at all if he has been with you from before the suggested lvls were put in place!
 
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Originally posted by procster62
Originally posted by Jack Kilbourne

my team is loyal, for a bunch of pirates. we got a few in the early 30s, and 1 at 41. he's way out of the suggested levels, and I hope to heck he don't leave because of this. he is essential to us ever being promoted. a majority of mine are still in the range, and because of that, we have no prayer of being promoted to A. next season will even be next to impossible.

I understand the complaint, and I agree.

USA BBB is stronger than the other BBB leagues, simply because they have been around longer, and a few boosts to suggested levels should be considered.

Jack the Pirate


I dont think that lvl 41 guy will be hurt at all if he has been with you from before the suggested lvls were put in place!


You bring up a good point:

Originally posted by BORT

We will be treating veteran XP kinda similarly to fame next season in regards to signing outside the suggested levels for the league you play in. If you sign as an FA or get traded at too high of a level, you'll receive reduced VXP, up to and including zero points if you're way over.


Will this only happen if the player is a FA and signs or if the player is traded? If you look at the wording it seems as if the players already on your team will still have the opportunity to earn VA. This would be a great relief, if this is the case.

Related post - http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1915575&page=1#15779401
 
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Originally posted by jgifford

I agree that their should be some equality in lvls, but I don't believe that punishing teams who have worked hard to get to where they are is the correct way to solve the problem. There needs to be some type of reorganization based on lvls.

I've worked extremely hard to get our team to where we are now. You're saying that I should just release my players so that you, who just started in the league, can have a better chance to win?

I don't care about STATS. My team doesn't care about STATS. Even though we are a top team in our league we only have 1 player leading in stats. We give all our players a chance to contribute and thus all have decent STATS, but they are not extreme.

We care about winning and moving our team, that we have worked so hard to build, up into the higher leagues. You're saying that the players who helped build this team and worked this hard should just abandon the team and go find somewhere else to play. Great idea. This game isn't just about the individual players, it is also about teams.

We started in this league as a low level team just like you. We were killed by the higher lvl teams our first couple of season. We worked our butts off to get where we are. Now our team is being punished for this just as we are on the verge up having a chance to move up, which has been our goal all along...does that really make sense?


Exactly!

Not in BBB#13 but neighboring league and have gone thru exactly what jgifford has said. It took 6 seasons to field a first place team that should make into the league Championship game.

Don't know how many hundreds of offers were made to get players that were team-oriented and stayed with the team as we improved. Yes, now a 1/3 of our players are level 40+, and Yes most are signed thru the end of season 8 or longer. Took a long while to get this far so why should we give away this hard work and these dedicated players just to make someelse's life easier.

Take a look at our stats too. No individual Trophies for leading the league in stats, but, a couple of players in several different categories within the top ten, and no one's complaining about not getting enough playing time or wanting more money. Those guys are GONE.

Spend the time and sweat. You can improve and be very competitive if you try.
 
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+1000 to what these guys just said!

It takes time and lots of effort to rebuild a team. It can be done.
 
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I totally disagree, it only takes "time" as you put it cause players/teams that dont belong at this level are here, if they were all gone yould have been competitive much sooner, if you're all high 30's and 40's you should be on up the ladder, and if you're getting your butt kicked maybe its not the players thats the problem, after all its a poor workman who blames his tools.

I got my team on the morning of Dec. 24th, not a single human player on the roster. Had no idea I was getting a team this season, was 740 something on the waiting list last I had checked. Had not done one bit of pre recruiting at all. By season start I had a full roster of human players and not a single CPU player left in sight. I spent my money wisely, recruited to my budget and this first season we will win 10 games and make the playoffs. Do we stand a chance of winning it all? Heck no... we arent stocked with high 30's + Never expected to our first year out of the box anyway, have you seen the Texans in the Superbowl yet? (Or Cleveland for that matter). The point is if those players were not here no one would need players like that and we would stop all these 200 to 3 games.... It does no one any good, they are pointless. Parity is good, then it comes down to game planning, player builds and the bounce of the pointy little ball. Lvls per league need to be maintained, Im looking forward to this VET pts thing making all those high lvl players want out of this lvl league, you can replace them with players of the appropriate level and we can have games that are fun, challenging and not determined before the season even starts.

 
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Originally posted by Tibbar
I totally disagree, it only takes "time" as you put it cause players/teams that dont belong at this level are here, if they were all gone yould have been competitive much sooner, if you're all high 30's and 40's you should be on up the ladder, and if you're getting your butt kicked maybe its not the players thats the problem, after all its a poor workman who blames his tools.


Yes, we would have been competitive much sooner, but there were high lvl teams in our league so we were not and we had to work to get where we are. I've been in your shoes and it isn't fun to lose, but it was fun to work hard to get where we are. If you want it to be easy then maybe you should go find another game.

We just recently got to where we have lvl 30's and 40's and we are not getting our butts kicked, we are doing well and should be moving up shortly; however, unlike the conference you are in, ours has multiple teams with high lvl 30 -40's and even being good doesn't guarantee a chance to move up.

Originally posted by Tibbar

I got my team on the morning of Dec. 24th, not a single human player on the roster. Had no idea I was getting a team this season, was 740 something on the waiting list last I had checked. Had not done one bit of pre recruiting at all. By season start I had a full roster of human players and not a single CPU player left in sight. I spent my money wisely, recruited to my budget and this first season we will win 10 games and make the playoffs.


Wow...sounds exactly like our team's early beginnings. Congrats to you for doing a good job, but most of us that have posted here probably already went through that stage. Yes, there are many teams that do not, we are not one of those teams.
The only difference is that having done basically the same thing you did, there was no way for us to make it to the playoffs. That's because there were very few cupcake teams in the league, like there are now.

I understand your statements, but they are all based on you being new in the league. If you knew the history, you would understand the concern stated in the OP.

Originally posted by Tibbar

Do we stand a chance of winning it all? Heck no... we arent stocked with high 30's + Never expected to our first year out of the box anyway, have you seen the Texans in the Superbowl yet? (Or Cleveland for that matter). The point is if those players were not here no one would need players like that and we would stop all these 200 to 3 games.... It does no one any good, they are pointless. Parity is good, then it comes down to game planning, player builds and the bounce of the pointy little ball. Lvls per league need to be maintained, Im looking forward to this VET pts thing making all those high lvl players want out of this lvl league, you can replace them with players of the appropriate level and we can have games that are fun, challenging and not determined before the season even starts.


Again, lack of understanding the history of the league and being new would make you say such things. If you were in our place you would understand our concerns; however, I keep hearing you say the same things over and over again and never once have you mentioned the concerns brought up in the OP and in other posts here.

It almost appears as if you are not even reading what has been posted here as you have not addressed the issues that have been brought up. If you can give some good arguments against the concerns that have been brought up, then maybe I will consider it a thoughtful post, until then all I read is a one sided story of a guy that doesn't understand the topic.
 
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Originally posted by jgifford
Originally posted by Tibbar

I totally disagree, it only takes "time" as you put it cause players/teams that dont belong at this level are here, if they were all gone yould have been competitive much sooner, if you're all high 30's and 40's you should be on up the ladder, and if you're getting your butt kicked maybe its not the players thats the problem, after all its a poor workman who blames his tools.


Yes, we would have been competitive much sooner, but there were high lvl teams in our league so we were not and we had to work to get where we are. I've been in your shoes and it isn't fun to lose, but it was fun to work hard to get where we are. If you want it to be easy then maybe you should go find another game.

We just recently got to where we have lvl 30's and 40's and we are not getting our butts kicked, we are doing well and should be moving up shortly; however, unlike the conference you are in, ours has multiple teams with high lvl 30 -40's and even being good doesn't guarantee a chance to move up.

Originally posted by Tibbar


I got my team on the morning of Dec. 24th, not a single human player on the roster. Had no idea I was getting a team this season, was 740 something on the waiting list last I had checked. Had not done one bit of pre recruiting at all. By season start I had a full roster of human players and not a single CPU player left in sight. I spent my money wisely, recruited to my budget and this first season we will win 10 games and make the playoffs.


Wow...sounds exactly like our team's early beginnings. Congrats to you for doing a good job, but most of us that have posted here probably already went through that stage. Yes, there are many teams that do not, we are not one of those teams.
The only difference is that having done basically the same thing you did, there was no way for us to make it to the playoffs. That's because there were very few cupcake teams in the league, like there are now.

I understand your statements, but they are all based on you being new in the league. If you knew the history, you would understand the concern stated in the OP.

Originally posted by Tibbar


Do we stand a chance of winning it all? Heck no... we arent stocked with high 30's + Never expected to our first year out of the box anyway, have you seen the Texans in the Superbowl yet? (Or Cleveland for that matter). The point is if those players were not here no one would need players like that and we would stop all these 200 to 3 games.... It does no one any good, they are pointless. Parity is good, then it comes down to game planning, player builds and the bounce of the pointy little ball. Lvls per league need to be maintained, Im looking forward to this VET pts thing making all those high lvl players want out of this lvl league, you can replace them with players of the appropriate level and we can have games that are fun, challenging and not determined before the season even starts.


Again, lack of understanding the history of the league and being new would make you say such things. If you were in our place you would understand our concerns; however, I keep hearing you say the same things over and over again and never once have you mentioned the concerns brought up in the OP and in other posts here.

It almost appears as if you are not even reading what has been posted here as you have not addressed the issues that have been brought up. If you can give some good arguments against the concerns that have been brought up, then maybe I will consider it a thoughtful post, until then all I read is a one sided story of a guy that doesn't understand the topic.


 
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Originally posted by Fastbird

It takes time and lots of effort to rebuild a team. It can be done.


+1, it takes time to rebuild, be patient.

Other than the 2-4 teams from each side of the conference that gets moved up and down, nothing further needs to be restructured in GLB.

Sucks that people are at a disadvantage who didn't get into the game until Season 4 or later, but you'll have your time to shine.
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I read your concerns, but truth is it has to happen... some level of parity needs to exist, and folks need to be pushed along.... when all those higher lvls are gone you wont need em either... so you dont lose any ground, you just rejoin the pack and now its time to win with better builds, better tactics and better management... the rest of it, although the things you say are valid, just can not matter in the bigger picture.... youll just have to move up with your players, or sign lvl appropriate players and get busy preparing for the next game
 
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but why should players like mine be forced out of the team? I was playing at the top levelin South America, but the team had a rubbish atmosphere, so I moved my players to the Mudlarks to join my other player that was playing for them. Why shall I now be punished because I joined a team that had a good forum, were building all the time, and needed my players to compete? Things will even themselves out over time without the need for stunting my players growth.
 
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Originally posted by Tibbar
I read your concerns, but truth is it has to happen... some level of parity needs to exist, and folks need to be pushed along.... when all those higher lvls are gone you wont need em either... so you dont lose any ground, you just rejoin the pack and now its time to win with better builds, better tactics and better management... the rest of it, although the things you say are valid, just can not matter in the bigger picture.... youll just have to move up with your players, or sign lvl appropriate players and get busy preparing for the next game


I agree that something needs to happen, I just don't believe that this is the correct way to do it. This is our team, the team we've worked so hard to build and you say, just move along. Easy for you to say.
 
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Originally posted by Tibbar
I read your concerns, but truth is it has to happen... some level of parity needs to exist, and folks need to be pushed along.... when all those higher lvls are gone you wont need em either... so you dont lose any ground, you just rejoin the pack and now its time to win with better builds, better tactics and better management... the rest of it, although the things you say are valid, just can not matter in the bigger picture.... youll just have to move up with your players, or sign lvl appropriate players and get busy preparing for the next game


If you rebuild/build your team correctly, the game is structured where you should be in a competitive league in a maximum of 2-3 seasons.

If you're still in USA BBB 13 in Season 10, you're obviously doing it wrong.
 
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Originally posted by mystikalilusion
Originally posted by Tibbar

I read your concerns, but truth is it has to happen... some level of parity needs to exist, and folks need to be pushed along.... when all those higher lvls are gone you wont need em either... so you dont lose any ground, you just rejoin the pack and now its time to win with better builds, better tactics and better management... the rest of it, although the things you say are valid, just can not matter in the bigger picture.... youll just have to move up with your players, or sign lvl appropriate players and get busy preparing for the next game


If you rebuild/build your team correctly, the game is structured where you should be in a competitive league in a maximum of 2-3 seasons.

If you're still in USA BBB 13 in Season 10, you're obviously doing it wrong.


If you slow build it will take a little more then 2-3
 
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Yes, my response was just regular rebuild through FA and trades, I didn't mention slow build. A slow build will take longer.
 
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