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Originally posted by blevstone
Originally posted by SteelersInsider

Originally posted by blevstone


What exactly is the point of putting lost scrimmages in there? Most teams use scrimmages to try things out and so it's really no reasonable indication of how good the team actually is.

Actually most top teams play hard in scrimmages because it affects their ranking.

Most elite teams are tired of beating up on the weak teams in their league and play the best of other leagues.

I would argue that meaningless wins in league vs gutted teams and under-leveled teams are the ones which shouldn't count.

But not all teams do....which makes it a very poor comparison point for any team, especially if we're talking about the first 2 scrimmages before the season started as most every team is trying something out for those even if they aren't for the others. I know when I am working on a gameplan for a scrimmage I'm trying things out to see how they work, not necessarily trying extremely hard to win. Since you don't really know whether teams are trying in scrimmages it's hardly a reasonable point to compare teams with.


I try stuff out all season long and experiment in scrimmages AND in regular games. I don't see the difference. You are more likely to be getting the other team experimenting with a new offense or defense in a scrimmage, so how do you know your test worked or not? That's why I would rather test vs a team playing for their playoff life in a regular game.

Originally posted by Fungus_Amongus
Originally posted by Greg Butler

Originally posted by SteelersInsider


Benitos just lost by the way

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=288392

wait I havent paid much attention do scrimmages count in this thread? lol

4 Int's killed the Benitos

and they clearly do take scrimmage games

I was talking to a Benitos player and I beg to differ seriously

Originally posted by Greg Butler


I was talking to a Benitos player and I beg to differ

We've been handling friendlies the same way since they were introduced. We game plan for tournaments. Scrimmages almost always get the previous league game's AI. Since the results dont matter, using basic AI helps you to find flaws in your tactics.

Last night was the AI from the Waxer game with the only difference being I increased 1st and 2nd down passing from 50% to ~65% and I replaced the Weak Long WR pass with the I Formation pass. Everything else was identical.

SI told me he used his AI from his first league game.

I am sure the Beans are excited about winning. They played well and deserved the win. I got some free testing of some of my tactics from a good team and learned a few things.


Edit: The cool part of the game last night was seeing juke and head fake activate a few times. I havent seen that in a long time.

I'd be glad to play the Benitos again later in the season if Havoc wants another shot to try harder.


(Be careful: later in the year you will have to face us at 100 chemistry though, not the 88 chemistry we played with yesterday)

Originally posted by SteelersInsider
I'd be glad to play the Benitos again later in the season if Havoc wants another shot to try harder.


(Be careful: later in the year you will have to face us at 100 chemistry though, not the 88 chemistry we played with yesterday)

Sure, we can play again.

Originally posted by Havoc


Edit: The cool part of the game last night was seeing juke and head fake activate a few times. I havent seen that in a long time.



The cool part of the game was watching Randy Raider go AROUND the G rather than Randy getting to teleport right THROUGH my G.

Lima Beans are very near the top but Benitos> all still in my mind.

SA>All other leagues

Originally posted by SteelersInsider
Originally posted by blevstone

Originally posted by SteelersInsider


Originally posted by blevstone



What exactly is the point of putting lost scrimmages in there? Most teams use scrimmages to try things out and so it's really no reasonable indication of how good the team actually is.

Actually most top teams play hard in scrimmages because it affects their ranking.

Most elite teams are tired of beating up on the weak teams in their league and play the best of other leagues.

I would argue that meaningless wins in league vs gutted teams and under-leveled teams are the ones which shouldn't count.

But not all teams do....which makes it a very poor comparison point for any team, especially if we're talking about the first 2 scrimmages before the season started as most every team is trying something out for those even if they aren't for the others. I know when I am working on a gameplan for a scrimmage I'm trying things out to see how they work, not necessarily trying extremely hard to win. Since you don't really know whether teams are trying in scrimmages it's hardly a reasonable point to compare teams with.


I try stuff out all season long and experiment in scrimmages AND in regular games. I don't see the difference. You are more likely to be getting the other team experimenting with a new offense or defense in a scrimmage, so how do you know your test worked or not? That's why I would rather test vs a team playing for their playoff life in a regular game.

Now that would depend on what you're looking for when you're trying things out now wouldn't it? For the things I'm looking at when I'm working things out in scrimmages, it matters very little what the other team might be trying out (outside of flat out playing guys out of position or something)...of course there will be some exceptions but for the most part the gameplans are almost going to the point of not trying to score necessarily, just seeing what some things look like and how different things play out. There are certainly times when I try something "new" out in a regular season game rather than a scrimmage but they are rarely as extreme as the things I try out in scrimmages which leads to losing the scrimmages rather than winning for a good majority of them.

So all in all, it does make a rather large difference between regular season and scrimmage games and since not everyone treats them like you do, it makes little sense to treat it like they do.

Since there will never be regular season games or playoffs outside your own league, then you are saying that there never will be any meaningful comparisons between teams in different leagues. I'm not really buying that argument.

There is no way to ever tell how much someone tried in a game.

If I want to test out a play that I don't think will work, I'll scrimmage a scrub team that I have no chance of losing to. No point of playing a top 25 team just to waste their time and lose bragging rights imo.

Originally posted by SteelersInsider
Since there will never be regular season games or playoffs outside your own league, then you are saying that there never will be any meaningful comparisons between teams in different leagues. I'm not really buying that argument.

There is no way to ever tell how much someone tried in a game.

If I want to test out a play that I don't think will work, I'll scrimmage a scrub team that I have no chance of losing to. No point of playing a top 25 team just to waste their time and lose bragging rights imo.

I'm not saying that none of them are meaningful and that you can't have some that both teams acknowledge as being "for real", but to throw all scrimmages under a blanket as a way to compare teams is just a poor way to do it. Most of the scrimmages I participate in are games against other teams the owner has affiliations to and most times, they are not for bragging rights or anything like that....so it's hardly a waste of time to try things out. You are making my argument for me by saying that there's no way to ever tell how much someone tries in a scrimmage....that in itself makes it ridiculous to use it to compare teams unless they actually treat them like games they are trying to win.

This really needs to be updated.

Yep, Osaka Buckeyes at 45 atm, but have a huge game coming up! Still 41 on the list.

Originally posted by blevstone
Originally posted by SteelersInsider

Since there will never be regular season games or playoffs outside your own league, then you are saying that there never will be any meaningful comparisons between teams in different leagues. I'm not really buying that argument.

There is no way to ever tell how much someone tried in a game.

If I want to test out a play that I don't think will work, I'll scrimmage a scrub team that I have no chance of losing to. No point of playing a top 25 team just to waste their time and lose bragging rights imo.

I'm not saying that none of them are meaningful and that you can't have some that both teams acknowledge as being "for real", but to throw all scrimmages under a blanket as a way to compare teams is just a poor way to do it. Most of the scrimmages I participate in are games against other teams the owner has affiliations to and most times, they are not for bragging rights or anything like that....so it's hardly a waste of time to try things out. You are making my argument for me by saying that there's no way to ever tell how much someone tries in a scrimmage....that in itself makes it ridiculous to use it to compare teams unless they actually treat them like games they are trying to win.

You can't ever tell how much a team is trying in ANY game. Not just scrimmage games. For instance the Yetis are now saying that they aren't even trying and haven't boosted or applied vet points. So we shouldn't count any of the losses they are having now in the regular season or scrimmage?

Is there any way to "prove" you aren't trying? imo, there is no way to prove that you didn't prepare your best for a game. Therefore, there are no meaningful games in the regular season then either. Just playoffs. Right?


Errrr wait. We know for a fact that the Trout and Hobos have been playing championship games in CPL with game plans that were meant for laughs and not their best effort. So those games shouldn't be held against those teams, right?


If you go down the path of "was someone trying or not" it is a slippery slope. You pretty much have to assume that either "all games are relevant" or "no games are relevant".

Personally, I don't think pre-season scrimmage games and post-season scrimmage games mean much, but I'm sure you could argue that all game count and I would agree. I just put alot more weight in a regular season scrimmage or a playoff game.

Meh, I dunno. It differs team to team. If someone wants to do rankings, then, yeah, you have to assume every game counts, or else it'd be too time consuming.

Personally, I take league games seriously, and use scrimmages to test out AI tweaks/changes I've been thinking about but didn't want to risk losing a game over. Still, whether testing or not, scrims are usually a relative test of strength, since most is decided by builds anyway.