Warrior General Games

Originally posted by ArsonIsFun
Originally posted by bigpimpin123

Well since Bort added the reset for VA, I put 6 into Go to Guy for my game against a decent CPU team. The results were 7 receptions for 35 yards. 3 other WRs also had 7 or more receptions and were targeted just as much. Not a good VA if you ask me.

worthless statwhore ability.


Nope. Useful ability for well built possession WRs who have high chances of catching the ball, but are overlooked to shakier hand speed WRs for most passes. How is that a stat whore ability in this case? Wouldn't WRs who go over 60 speed also be stat whores by your logic, trying to get open to get more passes?

I'm doing track star and quick feet to the max first.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by ArsonIsFun

Originally posted by bigpimpin123


Well since Bort added the reset for VA, I put 6 into Go to Guy for my game against a decent CPU team. The results were 7 receptions for 35 yards. 3 other WRs also had 7 or more receptions and were targeted just as much. Not a good VA if you ask me.

worthless statwhore ability.


Nope. Useful ability for well built possession WRs who have high chances of catching the ball, but are overlooked to shakier hand speed WRs for most passes. How is that a stat whore ability in this case? Wouldn't WRs who go over 60 speed also be stat whores by your logic, trying to get open to get more passes?


Fast WRs try to make QB's throw to them because they're open.
Possession WRs try to make QB's throw to them because they can make a catch in traffic.
Both are fine.

Go To Guy seems like it would force a QB to throw to a guy more often, which most of us can speculate isn't good.

Originally posted by jdupuy3
Originally posted by Mob-6

Originally posted by ArsonIsFun


Originally posted by bigpimpin123



Well since Bort added the reset for VA, I put 6 into Go to Guy for my game against a decent CPU team. The results were 7 receptions for 35 yards. 3 other WRs also had 7 or more receptions and were targeted just as much. Not a good VA if you ask me.

worthless statwhore ability.


Nope. Useful ability for well built possession WRs who have high chances of catching the ball, but are overlooked to shakier hand speed WRs for most passes. How is that a stat whore ability in this case? Wouldn't WRs who go over 60 speed also be stat whores by your logic, trying to get open to get more passes?


Fast WRs try to make QB's throw to them because they're open.
Possession WRs try to make QB's throw to them because they can make a catch in traffic.
Both are fine.

Go To Guy seems like it would force a QB to throw to a guy more often, which most of us can speculate isn't good.

QBs will target a Speed WR who is open who might have 20 Catching which might equate to a 5% chance to catch over a covered possession guy with 90 catching who has lets say a 70% chance to catch. If it forces the QB to throw for a higher percentage completion, I'd love someone to explain the harm in that.

1) Being the primary receiver
2) How far down the checkdown list he is
3) How many defenders are nearby
4) How good those defenders are in comparison
5) How close the player is to the play's set distance (short/medium/long)
6) How close the player is to a first down (on 3rd/4th down plays)
7) The player's catching ability

Above is the QBs targeting order. Let's discuss Go-to-guy (let's simplify and just call it "G2G" from here on out please) and how it may work in the list above.

Does it give a bonus to each of the 7? Unlikely.
I can't see it over riding the primary receiver slot.
I could see it bumping you up 1 spot on the checkdown list.
Perhaps it gives the QB a vision bonus to see you so he recognizes your situation a bit quicker than the others WRs and if the throw is there he takes a shot.

As I said originally, I can't see the bonus being anything to write home about, it won't make or break a game.

The QB will throw to the 70% chance to catch guy way more than the 5% chance to catch guy the majority of the time.

The QB already throws to the receiver who he thinks has the best chance to catch the ball. That was added I think in season 5 ? That gave a boost, and more throws, to possesion type receivers who maybe didn't look open, but the new formula tells the QB that that receiver is still the best option for him because of his high catching/jumping/vision etc.

Speed receivers still rarely get great seperation, and in that situation, the QB will throw the ball to the possesion receiver. Go to Guy upsets that balance and makes the QB throw to someone who maybe shouldn't have been thrown to that play.

Originally posted by carumba10
The QB will throw to the 70% chance to catch guy way more than the 5% chance to catch guy the majority of the time.

The QB already throws to the receiver who he thinks has the best chance to catch the ball. That was added I think in season 5 ? That gave a boost, and more throws , to possesion type receivers who maybe didn't look open, but the new formula tells the QB that that receiver is still the best option for him because of his high catching/jumping/vision etc.

Speed receivers still rarely get great seperation, and in that situation, the QB will throw the ball to the possesion receiver. Go to Guy upsets that balance and makes the QB throw to someone who maybe shouldn't have been thrown to that play.

I haven't seen any of this. Tell that to my speedster who got 11 targets in 1 game of which 1 was caught. You don't think it may have been a better choice for the QB to throw to a WR with better catching despite being better covered? I'm willing to bet another WR could have caught at least 2 of those 10 deflections if they had G2G w. My possession guy rarely gets targeted, when he does, he catches the as demonstrated by the best catching ratio on his team.
If you look at the progression chart(which Bort released last season, it has nothing to do with the season 5 stuff you are talking about, #3 Separation trumps #7 catching ability so a guy with no hands who has beat his man will get far more targets than a covered octopus with glue on his hands.

I'm assuming this is vs the D League Ligers ?

That game your QB had a rough day.

This play contradicts what you are saying. The HB was even more open than you..and being covered by a LB. He threw to you because you had a higher chance of success, because I am sure your catching radius is bigger than the HBs. You were still open, just a bad pass.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=313657&pbp_id=1351082


Same thing here. Why did he not throw to Leven ?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=313657&pbp_id=1347018

This year more than ever, being open more than someone else doesn't guarantee you will get thrown to.

Originally posted by carumba10
I'm assuming this is vs the D League Ligers ?

That game your QB had a rough day.

This play contradicts what you are saying. The HB was even more open than you..and being covered by a LB. He threw to you because you had a higher chance of success, because I am sure your catching radius is bigger than the HBs. You were still open, just a bad pass.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=313657&pbp_id=1351082


Same thing here. Why did he not throw to Leven ?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=313657&pbp_id=1347018

This year more than ever, being open more than someone else doesn't guarantee you will get thrown to.


I was unaware Bort had coded in "rough game" where your QB becomes completely erratic for a game. But I'm sure your two isolated examples trump the established pattern of ten I put up.

You throw around "this year" like you actually know something about it. You don't. List some facts. You said the QB target checklist was out dated, which it isn't, now your saying that QBs don't throw to open WRs as much. You'll have to forgive me if I don't take unsolicited opinions without supporting evidence as fact.

No, I was saying those examples contradicted what you were saying...that the QB will always throw to the most open receiver even if he can't catch. He doesn't. There were many more examples in that game. I just didn't feel the need, or have the time, to write a novel.

Two of my examples were part of your "established pattern of ten". I know it is unheard of for the QB to lose morale/confidence and have a bad game as he is spraying the ball around missing his receivers. What was I thinking.

You don't want unsolicited comments ? Then don't post on public forums.

Originally posted by Mob-6
QBs will target a Speed WR who is open who might have 20 Catching which might equate to a 5% chance to catch over a covered possession guy with 90 catching who has lets say a 70% chance to catch. If it forces the QB to throw for a higher percentage completion, I'd love someone to explain the harm in that

Would love to see the supporting evidence of that hyperbole.

The original base of these posts were the merits of Go To Guy. No one knows for sure exactly how it works, but if it does force the QB to abandon his original skill check where he throws to the receiver who he thinks has the best chance to roll a catch, and instead throws to someone with a lower chance of success because he has GTG... then it is a me first VA. Which would be fine if this was golf.

It all about Clutch boys and girls.

Originally posted by arcbee007
It all about Clutch boys and girls.

I can't pull the trigger on that ability yet. The description is a tad vague. If you have it, do you notice a difference ? What level do you have ?

I don't see how any speed receiver couldn't want Sure Hands.

Originally posted by Blamo
I don't see how any speed receiver couldn't want Sure Hands.

Because it doesn't make them faster? lol

Originally posted by Blamo
I don't see how any speed receiver couldn't want Sure Hands.

lol it only helps with drops and if a WR is getting <10 drops/season why bother? Drops are wayyy down this season anyways for everyone.