Warrior General Games

Originally posted by geal
Originally posted by maddoggy71

Isn't VISION important for a speedy WR??

And I don't understand this slow building... 1 catch for 12 yards for season 6??

Look at the team he is on. Look at the players on that same team. Also, his goals are not for short term. What you see now is still an unfinished product. Vision is not something that has to be high. He aims for caps. Hit 5th cap with speed, then soft cap agi, then soft cap catching. That way he takes full advantage of natural gains from leveling.

Ding, good reply man. My guy plays special teams for now, since he is worthless at the moment.

Originally posted by ChicagoTRS
:-p My DE will always be faster at the same levels...

You willing to keep going that high though for DE speed?

Originally posted by Tim Harper
Originally posted by ChicagoTRS

:-p My DE will always be faster at the same levels...

You willing to keep going that high though for DE speed?


Have 2 DEs in the works...one going a pure speed route other pure agility...probably take major to 5-1...and then let it level. DE/DT have the advantage of bigger level gains on their majors.

How is that a slow build WR?

I have a WR created 16 days later who is level 24 and averaged 52 plays a game for his career. I'm amazed that I'm only 1 level ahead after averaging 20 more plays a game than you. Do you still have your boosts left this season?

Damn nice looking WR. I think the key for a dominate speedster is to take speed through the 5 cap, get catching to the softcap, then worry about agility.

I'm not sure if the 5 cap is worth it to me though. The difference between 5th cap and 4th cap is only 4 points, but is also a whopping 20 SP's as well. Maybe it might pay off by the time you are like lvl 45-50 or so. With 20 sp, that could have gotten agi to second cap already. I'm still torn though. Honestly, I'm not sure if there is a significant dif between 113 speed and like 109 speed.

I guess this is worth it if you are in his situation though. He doesn't have to be competitive right away and can probably wait till he is lvl 30 until he sees any actual game action.

Originally posted by Mob-6
How is that a slow build WR?

I have a WR created 16 days later who is level 24 and averaged 52 plays a game for his career. I'm amazed that I'm only 1 level ahead after averaging 20 more plays a game than you. Do you still have your boosts left this season?

Damn nice looking WR. I think the key for a dominate speedster is to take speed through the 5 cap, get catching to the softcap, then worry about agility.

He still has boosts left for this season. Tim Harper saves boosts till the end of the season, aka last day to boost. As of now, his WR is playing special teams and is getting about 90% of max xp on it. So not quite 100%, but he isn't missing out on much.

Originally posted by ChicagoTRS
Have 2 DEs in the works...one going a pure speed route other pure agility...probably take major to 5-1...and then let it level. DE/DT have the advantage of bigger level gains on their majors.

Yes they do, might as well make use of it and go to the 5-1. Once your at level 40 with them, the return is huge. Especially when your sporting 15 more speed and agility then the fastest players.

Originally posted by geal
I'm not sure if the 5 cap is worth it to me though. The difference between 5th cap and 4th cap is only 4 points, but is also a whopping 20 SP's as well. Maybe it might pay off by the time you are like lvl 45-50 or so. With 20 sp, that could have gotten agi to second cap already. I'm still torn though. Honestly, I'm not sure if there is a significant dif between 113 speed and like 109 speed.

I guess this is worth it if you are in his situation though. He doesn't have to be competitive right away and can probably wait till he is lvl 30 until he sees any actual game action.

Well it isn't worth it for all positions. When speed is key at WR, Tim Harper felt it would be beneficial to go balls to the wall with it. Tim Harper will definitely add you to his friends list and keep you posted with pm's on his development.

It really takes some extra motivation and time to build a WR that will burn the top CBs, just because of the way the game works. A CB does not need to match up to a WR speed-wise to dominate them. But when you can create enough of a speed difference I think you've got a monster.
How high do you intend to take agility? Or will you pull a Colon Grifter and just use high FS + some QC?

Originally posted by Jack Del Rio
It really takes some extra motivation and time to build a WR that will burn the top CBs, just because of the way the game works. A CB does not need to match up to a WR speed-wise to dominate them. But when you can create enough of a speed difference I think you've got a monster.
How high do you intend to take agility? Or will you pull a Colon Grifter and just use high FS + some QC?

Agility will eventually get to 68 long term. But 60 short term is what Tim Harper will be shooting for. FS and QC will be used quite a bit as well.

Only 113 speed at 40 with equipment? That seems kind of low, considering the fact that 108 or so has already been done. Did you just spend every single SP from level 1-21 on Speed? After training enough to cap it all in one shot, of course.

Tim Harper Jr. is looking better than your WR, though.

I have to say, I wish you would build a Tarvaris Washington Jr., too, though.

Originally posted by geal
I'm not sure if the 5 cap is worth it to me though. The difference between 5th cap and 4th cap is only 4 points, but is also a whopping 20 SP's as well. Maybe it might pay off by the time you are like lvl 45-50 or so. With 20 sp, that could have gotten agi to second cap already. I'm still torn though. Honestly, I'm not sure if there is a significant dif between 113 speed and like 109 speed.

There really isn't a difference between a WR the hit the +6 cap and a CB that hit the +5 cap immediately. As you said, about 4 speed. However, the difference between this WR and a CB that stopped at +4 and this WR is well over 10 speed! That is a HUGE difference and can force teams to have to pump up their speed late in the game or be vulnerable. If a CB is having to stop and rework speed he's not working on other things. It doesn't take much to force folks to be reactive and if they are being reactive they aren't being as efficient with their build.

I'd love to redo my guys build to start with and go higher on speed, but that isn't gonna happen. Maybe for my next guy? I'm still happy with how he's rounding out.

I can certainly bear witness to the fact that a speedster can be very efficient in a WR4/5 slot with limited snaps/game.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=500091&playoffs=0

Originally posted by Kayoh
Only 113 speed at 40 with equipment? That seems kind of low, considering the fact that 108 or so has already been done. Did you just spend every single SP from level 1-21 on Speed? After training enough to cap it all in one shot, of course.

Tim Harper Jr. is looking better than your WR, though.

I have to say, I wish you would build a Tarvaris Washington Jr., too, though.

Let Tim Harper ask you this, how many WR's do you know have 108 or higher speed at this moment? Tim Harper didn't spend every SP from 1-21, but it was close that is for sure. Tim didn't do a true slow build where they invest every point to hit it as fast as possible. Tim Harper likes to make use of training then pumping it up in one swift move.

Tim Harper Jr. will be a stud soon too.

Originally posted by Tim Harper
Originally posted by Kayoh

Only 113 speed at 40 with equipment? That seems kind of low, considering the fact that 108 or so has already been done. Did you just spend every single SP from level 1-21 on Speed? After training enough to cap it all in one shot, of course.

Tim Harper Jr. is looking better than your WR, though.

I have to say, I wish you would build a Tarvaris Washington Jr., too, though.

Let Tim Harper ask you this, how many WR's do you know have 108 or higher speed at this moment? Tim Harper didn't spend every SP from 1-21, but it was close that is for sure. Tim didn't do a true slow build where they invest every point to hit it as fast as possible. Tim Harper likes to make use of training then pumping it up in one swift move.

Tim Harper Jr. will be a stud soon too.
Not many, but my logic is that you're going for an entirely dominant build that is just play better than every other WR in GLB history...and Colon Grifter isn't that far from what your guy's build will look like at his level. I'm not hating, just wondering why you didn't push speed a little further.

Also, I have to ask, how high is THJ's SPD/AGI? That Pass Defense bar is pretty insane.

Originally posted by Kayoh
ot many, but my logic is that you're going for an entirely dominant build that is just play better than every other WR in GLB history...and Colon Grifter isn't that far from what your guy's build will look like at his level. I'm not hating, just wondering why you didn't push speed a little further.

Also, I have to ask, how high is THJ's SPD/AGI? That Pass Defense bar is pretty insane.

Why didn't Tim Harper push speed a little further? The return wasn't good enough to keep going that is why.

THJ has a little less speed, but more agility. They are pretty similar builds actually.

No, I was talking about the WR when I asked about pushing speed a little further. I'm just plain impressed by THJ.