Originally posted by Ilok
forces a bad throw?
what?
forces a bad throw?
what?
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Originally posted by ajd40
How do you know if that is turn shoulder or pocket presence?
because of what the two s.a's read. plus my guy should have had a sack there. the quarterback did a turn shoulder.
How do you know if that is turn shoulder or pocket presence?
because of what the two s.a's read. plus my guy should have had a sack there. the quarterback did a turn shoulder.
Last edited Dec 9, 2008 22:43:33
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You said you read the SAs, but that doesn't look anything like what Turn Shoulder would look like.
Turn shoulder says that it "makes the defender slide off to the side". The defender in that replay didn't go anywhere, he just didn't reach the QB in time before the QB threw the ball.
That replay looks more like either Pocket Presence or just a coincidentally well timed pass.
Turn shoulder says that it "makes the defender slide off to the side". The defender in that replay didn't go anywhere, he just didn't reach the QB in time before the QB threw the ball.
That replay looks more like either Pocket Presence or just a coincidentally well timed pass.
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Originally posted by Kayoh
You said you read the SAs, but that doesn't look anything like what Turn Shoulder would look like.
Turn shoulder says that it "makes the defender slide off to the side". The defender in that replay didn't go anywhere, he just didn't reach the QB in time before the QB threw the ball.
That replay looks more like either Pocket Presence or just a coincidentally well timed pass.
Lets forget about the fact that my d.e. is laying on the ground after the throw.OK my r.e. never has to get that close to make a sack. There is no missed tackle registered. my r.e. actually touches the quarterback,before he threw the ball, but missed the tackle. you think a d.e. with 90 agility and 60 str is going to miss a tackle on a quarterback? do you not see my r.e. "sliding off"?
You said you read the SAs, but that doesn't look anything like what Turn Shoulder would look like.
Turn shoulder says that it "makes the defender slide off to the side". The defender in that replay didn't go anywhere, he just didn't reach the QB in time before the QB threw the ball.
That replay looks more like either Pocket Presence or just a coincidentally well timed pass.
Lets forget about the fact that my d.e. is laying on the ground after the throw.OK my r.e. never has to get that close to make a sack. There is no missed tackle registered. my r.e. actually touches the quarterback,before he threw the ball, but missed the tackle. you think a d.e. with 90 agility and 60 str is going to miss a tackle on a quarterback? do you not see my r.e. "sliding off"?
Last edited Dec 10, 2008 03:36:13
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Your DE did miss the tackle . . . check the box score. It shows your DE with a missed tackle and that QB has a broken tackle.
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LOL! Think high carrying would help a QB w/ avoiding sacks since it helps w/ breaking tackles?
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Kayoh
You said you read the SAs, but that doesn't look anything like what Turn Shoulder would look like.
Turn shoulder says that it "makes the defender slide off to the side". The defender in that replay didn't go anywhere, he just didn't reach the QB in time before the QB threw the ball.
That replay looks more like either Pocket Presence or just a coincidentally well timed pass.
Lets forget about the fact that my d.e. is laying on the ground after the throw.OK my r.e. never has to get that close to make a sack. There is no missed tackle registered. my r.e. actually touches the quarterback,before he threw the ball, but missed the tackle. you think a d.e. with 90 agility and 60 str is going to miss a tackle on a quarterback? do you not see my r.e. "sliding off"?
maybe turn shoulder registers a broken tackle and a missed tackle
Originally posted by Kayoh
You said you read the SAs, but that doesn't look anything like what Turn Shoulder would look like.
Turn shoulder says that it "makes the defender slide off to the side". The defender in that replay didn't go anywhere, he just didn't reach the QB in time before the QB threw the ball.
That replay looks more like either Pocket Presence or just a coincidentally well timed pass.
Lets forget about the fact that my d.e. is laying on the ground after the throw.OK my r.e. never has to get that close to make a sack. There is no missed tackle registered. my r.e. actually touches the quarterback,before he threw the ball, but missed the tackle. you think a d.e. with 90 agility and 60 str is going to miss a tackle on a quarterback? do you not see my r.e. "sliding off"?
maybe turn shoulder registers a broken tackle and a missed tackle
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Originally posted by DiMo28
LOL! Think high carrying would help a QB w/ avoiding sacks since it helps w/ breaking tackles?
In a very minimal way, when Bort confirmed carrying does impact the break tackle equation he also reiterated that it is a relatively minor influence compared to the other variables involved.
LOL! Think high carrying would help a QB w/ avoiding sacks since it helps w/ breaking tackles?
In a very minimal way, when Bort confirmed carrying does impact the break tackle equation he also reiterated that it is a relatively minor influence compared to the other variables involved.
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Originally posted by Ilok
take line, running the ball and AI changes out of equation, I think agility is the attribute that helps the most. I just can't tell if Turn Shoulder does anything.
So agility over speed. I would agree with this. How much agility? Let's say the QB is level 39-41 and playing with and against similar leveled competition. Are we talking 60+ agility? Does speed still need to be at least soft capped?
take line, running the ball and AI changes out of equation, I think agility is the attribute that helps the most. I just can't tell if Turn Shoulder does anything.
So agility over speed. I would agree with this. How much agility? Let's say the QB is level 39-41 and playing with and against similar leveled competition. Are we talking 60+ agility? Does speed still need to be at least soft capped?
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agility is basically reaction speed and helps the qb be mobile. He basically has to start from a dead stop, so acceleration is important. As for how much, I'm not to sure. I've been training speed and agility all season and until I get my passing attributes and SAs where I want them, I'm not spending any sps on them. I'll take the sacks now for better throwing performance, and improve the o-line as needed. Once I get everything in place, which the plan is sometime next season, I'm going to bring agility and speed both to 48, which is more to be able to scramble for yards.
The most sure fire way to avoid sacks is improving your o-line. Agility is basically desperation, but it does help some. I wouldn't hinder my build to much, when the problem is because of other peoples builds on your team.
The most sure fire way to avoid sacks is improving your o-line. Agility is basically desperation, but it does help some. I wouldn't hinder my build to much, when the problem is because of other peoples builds on your team.
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