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Originally posted by Octowned
People overlook the value of training, in my opinion.

I see so many builds who take all their attributes to 30 right away. Level 15, and you're out of training options already? Come on!

Don't need to slowbuild. Just need to be smart.

yes you hit it on the head. i got yelled at by a few people last season for telling them on my team not to put points in everything because training will be pointless after a bit all you would get is tokens. they replied with its poor building when you have some secondary stats in the teens.

now i am training those stats and getting gains while they just add up shopping and bonus tokens. which i am also getting.

my best opinion on training though is when you are about to cap something train it a few more times so it is around 90% or more then cap. this way in three seasons you come back and train that stat. it still only takes one training, or sometimes two, to get the point add on in the stat. so if done right you will add a point to the stat at a cap level of like 5 to 1. dont know if i am making sense so i put a little thing underneath

strength finished training before capping
started at 95% for strength, at 30 for the ability. after training goes to 31 and you dont have to spend 1 skill point to get it there.

strenght finished training a few years later.
started at 95% for strength, at 87 for the ability. after training goes to 88 and you dont have to spend 9 skill points to get it there.


obviously very durastic. but can help a lot in the long run.

true, but you can go ahead and train that last time once you are done assigning sp to an attribute.

Right, doesn't matter WHEN you add the point, as long as it is after you're done spending.

Stop spending at 60 with 95% bar:

Train once, get to 61. THEN level x times for 30 gain = 91.
or
level x times for 30 gain = 90, THEN train once, get to 91.



I stand firm in my philosophy that skill points in an attribute are only worth what it cost when you decided to stop spending on them.

The value of an attribute moving up from 90 to 91 isn't worth whatever, 15 SP. All you had to do was spend one extra point from say, 68 to 69, when you decided to stop, for 4 SP, and you'd have gotten the 91 a level earlier.

Same as equipment. Putting that level 40 equip on isn't like the value from 84 to 88. Its like +4 for when you decided to stop.

The only limitation is that you could have still achieved your build if you made those decisions - obviously if you took something from 68 to 69, now all your other stats suffer from having 4 less SP.




In my opinion, your build value isn't the literal cost, from scratch, of how many points you have at a given time. It is how many points it would take to get there using an optimal build strategy. The goal of building is thus not to maximize your build value, but rather to maximize your build value given your level, while not sacrificing career length by sitting on the bench and super-slowbuilding.


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Just my ideas

Originally posted by venom4789
Originally posted by Octowned

People overlook the value of training, in my opinion.

I see so many builds who take all their attributes to 30 right away. Level 15, and you're out of training options already? Come on!

Don't need to slowbuild. Just need to be smart.

yes you hit it on the head. i got yelled at by a few people last season for telling them on my team not to put points in everything because training will be pointless after a bit all you would get is tokens. they replied with its poor building when you have some secondary stats in the teens.

now i am training those stats and getting gains while they just add up shopping and bonus tokens. which i am also getting.



Yeah, this frustrates me. I've been preaching to my slowbuild and nonslowbuild correct training strategy, though, and we're finally on the same page.


It shows up, though. My current builds will *always* have something to train in the "good spots:" <30, 48-54, 60-63. Unfortunately, my first build does not have a *single attribute in those ranges.* My training is simply horrendous on my OT right now, due to poor planning ahead of time.

I think I'll be able to salvage it next season by capping some attributes with boosts, and training a pair at 48 / 60, which is like training at 30/30. But this season has been a joke.

I've managed +1 blocking, +1 agility, filled the agility bar to 96%, and now I'm going to be training two things at 40 for the last 5 trains (+1 each) of the season.. aurgh.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Slow building? Not at all needed.

Cap focus? Yeah, it would help A LOT.
fyp

Originally posted by Octowned
Originally posted by venom4789

Originally posted by Octowned


People overlook the value of training, in my opinion.

I see so many builds who take all their attributes to 30 right away. Level 15, and you're out of training options already? Come on!

Don't need to slowbuild. Just need to be smart.

yes you hit it on the head. i got yelled at by a few people last season for telling them on my team not to put points in everything because training will be pointless after a bit all you would get is tokens. they replied with its poor building when you have some secondary stats in the teens.

now i am training those stats and getting gains while they just add up shopping and bonus tokens. which i am also getting.



Yeah, this frustrates me. I've been preaching to my slowbuild and nonslowbuild correct training strategy, though, and we're finally on the same page.


It shows up, though. My current builds will *always* have something to train in the "good spots:" <30, 48-54, 60-63. Unfortunately, my first build does not have a *single attribute in those ranges.* My training is simply horrendous on my OT right now, due to poor planning ahead of time.

I think I'll be able to salvage it next season by capping some attributes with boosts, and training a pair at 48 / 60, which is like training at 30/30. But this season has been a joke.

I've managed +1 blocking, +1 agility, filled the agility bar to 96%, and now I'm going to be training two things at 40 for the last 5 trains (+1 each) of the season.. aurgh.


I agree,

On my G, I trained vision up to 36 before putting in any SP, speed is up to 30 now with no SP ever added, agility was trained up to 28, and now from 48-53, and stamina got trained to 22 before I relented and put in SP. Given the fact that I wasted a huge amount of points in SAs in season 1, I feel that I have recovered the build somewhat (but not totally) from the training.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=87819

As an example, if you train 2 attributes that give, say 35% and 24% gains on intense for one season (16 training sessions, 25% bonus), you get +7 and +4.8 to the attributes.

For someone training 2 attributes at 40, with a 17% gain, he would receive 3.4 in each attribute.

This is a difference of 5 SP per season, or 1 level.

Originally posted by Kayoh
Originally posted by Deathblade

Slow building? Not at all needed.

Cap focus? Yeah, it would help A LOT.
fyp

Well...

Long ago all caps were called soft caps, which is logical. Soft caps make it more difficult to continue, while hard caps make it impossible to continue. All "caps" are soft caps, and 100 is a hard cap.

Not entirely sure where it caught on that anything above a soft cap is "max" or a "hard cap", because it is not.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Kayoh

Originally posted by Deathblade


Slow building? Not at all needed.

Cap focus? Yeah, it would help A LOT.
fyp

Well...

Long ago all caps were called soft caps, which is logical. Soft caps make it more difficult to continue, while hard caps make it impossible to continue. All "caps" are soft caps, and 100 is a hard cap.

Not entirely sure where it caught on that anything above a soft cap is "max" or a "hard cap", because it is not.

I farted.