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Very tempted to switch my equipment over and try it for my LOLB. I would have 61 speed/79 agility.

Originally posted by briano32
Very tempted to switch my equipment over and try it for my LOLB. I would have 61 speed/79 agility.

It wouldn't hurt to try. I've switched over my equipment from all speed to all agility to a mix of speed/agility. If you're not comfortable with having everything in agility, try mixing it up in a 1:1 ratio first.

Originally posted by wallysmith
Originally posted by Blamo

bort said this, bort said that... yet, wrs with 95 speed and 50 agility are still dominant. But yeah, youre right. That agility change was HUGE.

Yeah of course they are because they are WR, but I thought this was an LB forum?

It's not like the relationship between agility and speed work differently for the different positions.

But hey. You know what? You're right. My 90 speed/60 agility LB is probably garbage.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=269054&pbp_id=2966348
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=269108&pbp_id=2678864
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225801&pbp_id=2403813

Terrible, TERRIBLE acceleration. My bad, guys.

Way to point out the few plays that mean nothing to the conversation. Nice job, sure, but expecting your LB to make plays in the backfield all the time is entirely unrealistic. Let's look at some of your other replays...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4986193
Do you expect your LB to to chase down that WR? No, that's your CB/safety's job which he does here and your LB is not expected to do. That 90 speed still isn't going to chase down that WR so there's no need to have it. What greater agility does gives you though is the ability to break on the ball better. Could 70 speed/80 agility have had a better chance of catching that WR before the first down marker? I bet you it would have had a better chance than 90/60.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4987049
If the RDE didn't make this tackle, your increased speed/diminished agility probably wouldn't have made this tackle. (Here is an example of too much speed and not enough agility; watch the FS: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225462&pbp_id=5650573 )

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4987851
Here's an unfortunate special teams play where your LB is held up on two other LB's blocking you. Since an LB typically won't have high blocking, it's kinda embarrassing that your LB isn't able to shed these blockers to try and make the tackle.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4988023
Another example of a teammate covering up a potential gaffe by your player. The HB cuts to his left and if Ryan Hunter isn't there to make the tackle, there's a very good chance your LB wouldn't have been able to backpedal in time to make that tackle.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4988865
Held up on the line by a LG already blocking a DT. Congratulations, all the extra speed just means you get blocked that much faster instead of avoiding the block.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4989528
Here's a blitz where the HB blocks your LB cold. Could you have shed that block with higher agility?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4992143
Nice play here, but it's not like you covered that much distance. In short distances, agility is king. Again, the matter at hand isn't if your LB is going to catch that 90 spd WR; it's if he can make the adjustments to cover the HB/TE/slot WR.

Case in point:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4993180
Your AI has you blitzing here, but you break the block and go after the ballcarrier, leading to a missed tackle. With higher agility, you break the block faster, you make a faster cut, you accelerate out of the cut faster, then you're in a better position to cover a short-yardage tackle. If you make that tackle, he doesn't get a first down. You tell me how higher speed benefits you here.



If you're going to present an argument, you need to show all sides.

Originally posted by wallysmith
Originally posted by briano32

Very tempted to switch my equipment over and try it for my LOLB. I would have 61 speed/79 agility.

It wouldn't hurt to try. I've switched over my equipment from all speed to all agility to a mix of speed/agility. If you're not comfortable with having everything in agility, try mixing it up in a 1:1 ratio first.

What speed/agility ratio did you have when all your equipment was on agility and what kind of results did you get?

I don't remember exactly when I made those switches to tell you the truth, but for each philosophy shift I had a fairly solid sample size of games to evaluate his performance. Depending on how your LB is used in your defense you should try different things. My belief is that higher agility is more crucial for an ILB, whereas a more generous speed ratio can be used for an OLB.

Since your LB's are still fairly low level and equipment should be relatively cheap, just buy a second set of agility equipment for a couple slots and see how that goes.

Appreciate the advice. I'll give it a shot.

We executed the Agility experiment across the entire linebacker front on a very good team when agility received its biggest boost in the game (it was season 3 or 4 - I can't flipping remember now) . Our linebackers were TERRIBLE and we were only saved by a defensive line that raped face. They were around 50-57 speed with 66-72 agility. during that season.

I have one of those linebackers with his equip still configured that way on MY team for the past couple of season. Considering the positions I put them in and the other linebackers performances, this is our LEAST productive linebacker BY FAR. It has NEVER worked.


Whenever I get hurries in GLB at the DT, DE, or LB position it tells me one thing. I'm not fast enough. That little difference between a play almost being made (hurries) and a play being made (sacks) is one thing, the defender didn't get there fast enough. I noticed an inordinate ratio of sacks:hurries this season from my MLB this season. After a particularly frustrating multi-hurry day, i decided to go back to my season 2 build of all equip in speed. I usually run 3 pieces speed and 1 piece agility and custom on speed.

Well lo and behold, I get 2 sacks and no hurries next game. For the nickel and dimers wanting to know exacts, I had just trained agility a point up the day before so the net agility loss was only 4 points and the net speed gain was 5 points.

So from this post:

If you have hurries, you aren't fast enough
If your agility exceeds for speed, playmaking will be tough

Or for you haiku loving motherpluckers

Speed
Speed Speed
Speed Speed Speed
Speed



And to whoever was getting chippy with wallysmith earlier, I'd take advice from 2 people at face value right now about linebackers. wallysmith and Darren MacFadden

Originally posted by wallysmith
Way to point out the few plays that mean nothing to the conversation. Nice job, sure, but expecting your LB to make plays in the backfield all the time is entirely unrealistic. Let's look at some of your other replays...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4986193
Do you expect your LB to to chase down that WR? No, that's your CB/safety's job which he does here and your LB is not expected to do. That 90 speed still isn't going to chase down that WR so there's no need to have it. What greater agility does gives you though is the ability to break on the ball better. Could 70 speed/80 agility have had a better chance of catching that WR before the first down marker? I bet you it would have had a better chance than 90/60.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4987049
If the RDE didn't make this tackle, your increased speed/diminished agility probably wouldn't have made this tackle. (Here is an example of too much speed and not enough agility; watch the FS: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225462&pbp_id=5650573 )

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4987851
Here's an unfortunate special teams play where your LB is held up on two other LB's blocking you. Since an LB typically won't have high blocking, it's kinda embarrassing that your LB isn't able to shed these blockers to try and make the tackle.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4988023
Another example of a teammate covering up a potential gaffe by your player. The HB cuts to his left and if Ryan Hunter isn't there to make the tackle, there's a very good chance your LB wouldn't have been able to backpedal in time to make that tackle.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4988865
Held up on the line by a LG already blocking a DT. Congratulations, all the extra speed just means you get blocked that much faster instead of avoiding the block.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4989528
Here's a blitz where the HB blocks your LB cold. Could you have shed that block with higher agility?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4992143
Nice play here, but it's not like you covered that much distance. In short distances, agility is king. Again, the matter at hand isn't if your LB is going to catch that 90 spd WR; it's if he can make the adjustments to cover the HB/TE/slot WR.

Case in point:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=225805&pbp_id=4993180
Your AI has you blitzing here, but you break the block and go after the ballcarrier, leading to a missed tackle. With higher agility, you break the block faster, you make a faster cut, you accelerate out of the cut faster, then you're in a better position to cover a short-yardage tackle. If you make that tackle, he doesn't get a first down. You tell me how higher speed benefits you here.



If you're going to present an argument, you need to show all sides.

You're absolutely correct. People on this game jerk off to speed. Speed is amazing, no doubt. Speed is great. For like the 4 or 5 plays you actually break free to use it. as a linebacker speed comes into play a lot. But agility does more. You can be a 90/60 speed linebacker. You can be great at getting sacks and covering your guy. I would rather have high agility and be in position all game and make plays all game, on more than just my own guy,and give up less yards as a team. Then to have 90 speed and get stats for my greedy self and give up big ass plays because he is out of position. or he over pursued in the back field because he doesn't have the agility to turn. What's even more stunning are these people who swear by having low str and tackling, only to complain later on in their careers about missed tackles.

Originally posted by briano32
Originally posted by wallysmith

Originally posted by briano32


Very tempted to switch my equipment over and try it for my LOLB. I would have 61 speed/79 agility.

It wouldn't hurt to try. I've switched over my equipment from all speed to all agility to a mix of speed/agility. If you're not comfortable with having everything in agility, try mixing it up in a 1:1 ratio first.

What speed/agility ratio did you have when all your equipment was on agility and what kind of results did you get?


I do not recommend going below 65-70 speed, though.

Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by Blamo


We're in season 7, and only one thing has really remained constant throughout GLB... For almost every position, speed is the dominant stat.

You can make a team built around this philosophy, and it can have some success...but as a blanket statement this is patently absurd.

Actually, flames had a team built around this very idea. and he unfortunately sold it because it sucked.

I love how people who have never tried a high agility linebacker much less watched one for 3+ seasons and seen an entire team of high agility linebackers are such advocates for it.

What you want or think would happen isn't what really happens sometimes. Sorries. There is no substitute for experience and I have no axe to grind with this point. I didn't publicly assert my LB theory until much after our experiment happened.

Originally posted by Rod Long
I love how people who have never tried a high agility linebacker much less watched one for 3+ seasons and seen an entire team of high agility linebackers are such advocates for it.

What you want or think would happen isn't what really happens sometimes. Sorries. There is no substitute for experience and I have no axe to grind with this point. I didn't publicly assert my LB theory until much after our experiment happened.

I love how my linebacker has more sacks, tfl, and int's that all yours this year except maybe 1. not to mention your about 5 levels higher. and lets not talk about pd's this year. I have more than all three of yours combined.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Rod Long

I love how people who have never tried a high agility linebacker much less watched one for 3+ seasons and seen an entire team of high agility linebackers are such advocates for it.

What you want or think would happen isn't what really happens sometimes. Sorries. There is no substitute for experience and I have no axe to grind with this point. I didn't publicly assert my LB theory until much after our experiment happened.

I love how my linebacker has more sacks, tfl, and int's that all yours this year except maybe 1. not to mention your about 5 levels higher. and lets not talk about pd's this year. I have more than all three of yours combined.

Have you responded to my post or had any contribution to this topic. I'll dress you down elsewhere in regards to this douchepump.

Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by Rod Long


I love how people who have never tried a high agility linebacker much less watched one for 3+ seasons and seen an entire team of high agility linebackers are such advocates for it.

What you want or think would happen isn't what really happens sometimes. Sorries. There is no substitute for experience and I have no axe to grind with this point. I didn't publicly assert my LB theory until much after our experiment happened.

I love how my linebacker has more sacks, tfl, and int's that all yours this year except maybe 1. not to mention your about 5 levels higher. and lets not talk about pd's this year. I have more than all three of yours combined.

Have you responded to my post or had any contribution to this topic. I'll dress you down elsewhere in regards to this douchepump.

I own you. All my players own you as a matter of fact. you're not the best guy ever at this game. QUit acting like it, Cock herder.