Warrior General Games

Originally posted by dylan33p
like omg sly your sooo good... only team that can beat an A league team


http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=271948

Nice job!

Your team and Sly's will be playing A Ball soon.

Another one bites the dust! Timpanogos Thunder fought a very hard and exciting game. We pulled out a close win 27-24.

Let's review:

We beat and outyarded the Timpanogos Thunder 7-2 currently in 4th place in the A6 West
We beat and outyarded the Tennessee Fury 6-3 currently in 6th place in the A6 East
We lost to but outyarded the Boston Bears 6-3 currently in 7th place in the A6 East - anomaly - they had a +5 turnover advantage.
Cyberimagination beat The Hurricanes 5-4 currently in 8th place in the A6 East

No USA A6 team has outyarded us and we've shown we can beat up on A6 teams in the 7-2 record level so are looking to accept a challenge from a team that can make a reasonable case for being better than the Thunder.

So far everything we've seen from A6 has reinforced our basic contention:

BBB11 > A6

I give you an honest congrats on your wins, but give the "outyarded" thing a rest.

There are two things said on these forums that show an extreme lack of football sense:

"Yeah, we lost, but we outyarded them."
"Yeah, we lost, but we had 4 more turnovers."

In football it's not uncommon for the losing team to get more yards, because they're down and have to pass more. This goes hand in hand with turnovers--60 yd drives that end in an INT are not moral victories.

Not trying to single you out here, Sly, as I see owners in every league do this all the time. But the scoreboard never lies. There are no "Yeah, but" losses, just as there are no "Oh, but" wins. More yardage doesn't mean you outplayed them, and more turnovers doesn't mean you got unlucky.

aestis in many respects yours is a very thoughtful post with some nice points. However, one thing I disagree with is how well the sim follows real football, and many of your comments are based mostly on what in your opinion happens in some real world leagues. Until the sim begins to approach the results of these real world leagues more often, your comparison is not valid.

Also, it's much more rare for a team that loses to outyard its opponent than it is common. Whether you are talking about high school, college, semi-pro, Canadian Pro, or US Pro leagues, the team that wins usually gets the most yards, and here in the sim the correlation often approaches 90%+. For instance, we're 9-0 and we've outyarded our opponents by a large margin every game. If any of our opponents had outyarded us, I would consider that quite an achievement, even if they didn't win on the scoreboard. The only exception would be if we scored a high number of special teams or defensive TD's - in that case, it would make more sense to include return yardage in the evaluation, since our offense never got a chance to step on the field for that drive.

Turnovers are not something we can always control. In that game in particular, we had 5 turnovers and they had none. 3 of our turnovers were fumbles, all of which occurred in easy field goal range (9 points lost) and one of the fumbles was returned 90 yards for a defensive TD (7 more points lost). The players who fumbled do not normally fumble and didn't fumble at all in the other 2 games against A6 teams we have played. The two running backs that fumbled both have fumbled very infrequently in their career, because they have builds that limit fumbles.

The 16 points from these fumbles were more than the margin of victory. Meanwhile we did not get a single turnover, which is also rare and not consistent with what we normally achieve against other teams.

Sometimes within the band of what we can reasonably control, it is possible for a team to outplay another team, yet still lose because of things that happen outside the band of what we can reasonably control. This game was an example.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....That is all I get when I read these book reports on how good the man who has done nothing is!