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JD Cuda
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Originally posted by kcdizz
speed and agility has nothing to do with drops but route running and creating seperation, also breaking tackles.


False. Very, very false.
 
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so in away it has everything to do with drops, becauase creating separation makes for easier catches=less drops.
 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by bruiser 1234


My 38 WR has 88-89 speed and 60 agility and dominates. Look at his stats, he is never set as the favorite WR, just gets wide open.


Your WR is level 38 playing in AA, he better dominate as hard as an NFL player playing in a Pee-Wee league. I hardly think your example objectively adds to this debate. Put him in Pro against similar level defenders and see how he does.


This coming from a guy with little success in A himself. your guy is barely making 100 yards and a touchdown a game against lesser competition.
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Mob-6
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Wow, UnderDog you have got to be the biggest troll in all of GLB. Show me where I claimed my WR was dominate? Do some actual stat analysis of my guy and you'll see he is pretty damned good. I know you are to busy blowing hobo's for cash and thus don't have the time to look at stats in their context (I averaged a TD every 3 catches last season against competition that was 10 levels higher in #AA which is pretty f*in dominate and led my team in TDs for two seasons in a row despite having less than half the plays of the other WRs on my team), so maybe you should start doing some better analysis because the school systems take enough blame for producing idiots without needing more evidence.


Also, UD, if you think the prerequisite for critiquing someone elses WR is demonstrated success, where do you get off spouting tripe about mine. Your guy has 2 100 yards games this season and both were in blow out victories to terrible teams! My guy went over 100 yards with 2 TDs against the best team in our league who hadn't given up more than 14 points in their previous 4 games this season. If your going to get in a dick size competition, better make sure you have one first.
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Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Mob-6
Wow, UnderDog you have got to be the biggest troll in all of GLB. Show me where I claimed my WR was dominate? Do some actual stat analysis of my guy and you'll see he is pretty damned good. I know you are to busy blowing hobo's for cash and thus don't have the time to look at stats in their context (I averaged a TD every 3 catches last season against competition that was 10 levels higher in #AA which is pretty f*in dominate and led my team in TDs for two seasons in a row despite having less than half the plays of the other WRs on my team), so maybe you should start doing some better analysis because the school systems take enough blame for producing idiots without needing more evidence.


Also, UD, if you think the prerequisite for critiquing someone elses WR is demonstrated success, where do you get off spouting tripe about mine. Your guy has 2 100 yards games this season and both were in blow out victories to terrible teams! My guy went over 100 yards with 2 TDs against the best team in our league who hadn't given up more than 14 points in their previous 4 games this season. If your going to get in a dick size competition, better make sure you have one first.


do you really think I am going to read all that, get a life, a girl friend, a job, and move out of your mom's house. You losers talk so much shit, then can't take it when you get it back. Go make a friend, or something.
 
Mob-6
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Originally posted by UnderDogs

do you really think I am going to read all that, get a life, a girl friend, a job, and move out of your mom's house. You losers talk so much shit, then can't take it when you get it back. Go make a friend, or something.


I'm trying to have an objective and substantive debate in the WR forums using facts and figures. You troll the forums with inflammatory comments that offer no supporting arguments or data, how are you contributing to this forum? I'm here to improve the WR community and my players, you seem to be here out of a desperate cry for attention. Confirm/Deny?

 
kcdizz
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Originally posted by Hilary Clinton
so in away it has everything to do with drops, becauase creating separation makes for easier catches=less drops.


you can have all the seperation the world you still going to drop the ball if you catching and vision are low.
 
BigRick70
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I think you guys should take account of SAs like First Step and Quick Cut when determining the perfect spd/agi ratio.

If increased Agi would improve stuff like acceleration and turing then First Step could probably compensate for the acceleration and Quick Cut for the turning.
Last edited Nov 23, 2008 11:48:29
 
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Originally posted by kcdizz
Originally posted by Hilary Clinton

so in away it has everything to do with drops, becauase creating separation makes for easier catches=less drops.


you can have all the seperation the world you still going to drop the ball if you catching and vision are low.


are u saying catching and vision are the most important than?
 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by UnderDogs


do you really think I am going to read all that, get a life, a girl friend, a job, and move out of your mom's house. You losers talk so much shit, then can't take it when you get it back. Go make a friend, or something.


I'm trying to have an objective and substantive debate in the WR forums using facts and figures. You troll the forums with inflammatory comments that offer no supporting arguments or data, how are you contributing to this forum? I'm here to improve the WR community and my players, you seem to be here out of a desperate cry for attention. Confirm/Deny?



I love it when people put someone else down. Then you call them out. And they cry like a pussy. quit being a big baby. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Bottom line.
 
Mob-6
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Originally posted by UnderDogs

I love it when people put someone else down. Then you call them out. And they cry like a pussy. quit being a big baby. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Bottom line.



Please, I beg you to offer an intelligently thought out critique on a WR rather than resorting to name calling and ad hominem attacks, but you refuse to. Is it because you are scared that without personally attacking someone you will be revealed as an unintelligent fraud?
 
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Originally posted by BigRick70
I think you guys should take account of SAs like First Step and Quick Cut when determining the perfect spd/agi ratio.

If increased Agi would improve stuff like acceleration and turing then First Step could probably compensate for the acceleration and Quick Cut for the turning.


I think SAs do more than compensate, but I also believe they aren't active 100% of the time.
 
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A ratio around 3:2 is working pretty well for me. And as someone else mentioned, don't forget about first step and especially quick cut, they will do wonders for helping to get separation from the DBs in my experience.
 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by UnderDogs


I love it when people put someone else down. Then you call them out. And they cry like a pussy. quit being a big baby. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Bottom line.



Please, I beg you to offer an intelligently thought out critique on a WR rather than resorting to name calling and ad hominem attacks, but you refuse to. Is it because you are scared that without personally attacking someone you will be revealed as an unintelligent fraud?


you're the on who did it first. DO you have any understanding of this. I didn't just come at you for no reason. Matter of fact I try not to talk to most people on here unless they say something really stupid. Get over it. You insulted someone first, then someone calls you out and you cry. waaaaaaaaa.
 
Mob-6
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Originally posted by UnderDogs

you're the on who did it first. DO you have any understanding of this. I didn't just come at you for no reason. Matter of fact I try not to talk to most people on here unless they say something really stupid. Get over it. You insulted someone first, then someone calls you out and you cry. waaaaaaaaa.


Man, I feel like I am dealing with a six year old here. Let's recap the undisputible facts for your highness:

1.) I critiqued a guys build who stated that "he was dominate." I merely stated that the results he had experienced were not impressive because he is a Pro level receiver playing in an AA league where he outlevels the competition. DO YOU understand the difference between success at 40 in the Pro leagues and success at 40 in AA? How do you think this is attacking someone, it is pointing out a fact.

2.)For some reason you don't understand the concept of comparing apples to apples and think it is unfair to gauge a level 38-40 WRs because he is playing pee-wee league football rather than one suited for his level. If you want to debate the merits of the claim, great, but you couldn't come up with anything and had to attack me instead. See how well that tactic worked for McCain in the last election for analysis of bad tactics.

3.) Do you even read the posts before you reply? I don't think so. You felt it necessary to make a stupid comment about my build without even offering any evidence other than saying it was stupid. If you want to debate the merits of my build, fine, I have no problem with it, but PLEASE offer something substantive. Why is my build so bad? The fact that you can't come up with anything other than further insults just goes to show your claim was baseless to begin with.

Please develop a thicker skin and come back to the forums when you can contribute something more productive than whining and name calling.
 
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