Well my LOT isn't going to miss the Elbow much. But you definitely pushed him to figure out what he was doing wrong. That should probably be present tense.
Good luck to you all.
Good luck to you all.
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zebo13
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Though we only just made it to pro it, this post saddens me to lose such a cool cat. Great post! I totally feel you though, I've been here since season 1 too, and I totally smell what you're steppin in about the "honeymoon phase".
dhc1978
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The recent changes Bort just put in during REGULAR season only reinforces my, and my team's decision to quit. This is one of the main reasons my team late boosted: to counter the lunacy that is the mid season tweek.
It's my STRONG opinion that this should't happen without a refund of SP or at the very least a partial refund of SP. We build characters based on how the game engine is curently. A tweek in the formula and BAM, it renders a formerly good character ineffective.
We don't even get warning on the magnitude of these changes. One of my suggestions that I was going to mention when I quit was to set up a test server and have people play on this test server with potential changes that might be implimented in the game. Have these players play for free. Have these players be innovative player builders who actually understand the game engine and formulas. Sim 1000 games where each player has as many characters as they want (within limit of course) so the changes can be properly tested and feedback properly given. This way you won't screw paying customers.
Look at two of the games today:
Us vs The Hot Mamas
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ESL vs the Seamen
Not a single sack recorded and all four teams have a very good pass rushing game. There were hardly even any HURRIES in both games. All this from a "slight" tweek. This wasn't a slight tweek, this was a huge tweek. One where no one could adjust because we didn't know what this tweak was. That's what preseason is for, but you can't do anything about it if it's regular season. I'm not saying we would have won our game, or ESL would have won, but all four defenses should have been totally different if we knew that was the exact change to players / sim.
BTW, yes, there were certain defensive schemes that will allow more DE sacks at the sacrifice at something else.
Bort does this every season. Last season he changed how the secondary reacted and worked. Coincidentally, he did it during our game vs the hot mamas also. That was our ONE change in the defense for the regular season, because after that game and tweek we had to change our entire defensive planning. The fact that it was against the Hot Mamas again is really of little importance other than the fact that if it was a weaker team, we might not have been as aware of how major the change was. In fact, we were lucky to go against a solid team so we could see exactly how badly it affected our team. If we went against a gutted team, we might not notice that much of a difference at all (although this new "snap delay" change is HIGHLY apparent).
I'm not going to argue the fact of WHAT was changed. That is a matter of opinion. BUT I hate how the change is done in the middle of the season, with no warning, affecting regular season outcomes and potentially player effectiveness in the short AND long term.
/End rant
It's my STRONG opinion that this should't happen without a refund of SP or at the very least a partial refund of SP. We build characters based on how the game engine is curently. A tweek in the formula and BAM, it renders a formerly good character ineffective.
We don't even get warning on the magnitude of these changes. One of my suggestions that I was going to mention when I quit was to set up a test server and have people play on this test server with potential changes that might be implimented in the game. Have these players play for free. Have these players be innovative player builders who actually understand the game engine and formulas. Sim 1000 games where each player has as many characters as they want (within limit of course) so the changes can be properly tested and feedback properly given. This way you won't screw paying customers.
Look at two of the games today:
Us vs The Hot Mamas
and
ESL vs the Seamen
Not a single sack recorded and all four teams have a very good pass rushing game. There were hardly even any HURRIES in both games. All this from a "slight" tweek. This wasn't a slight tweek, this was a huge tweek. One where no one could adjust because we didn't know what this tweak was. That's what preseason is for, but you can't do anything about it if it's regular season. I'm not saying we would have won our game, or ESL would have won, but all four defenses should have been totally different if we knew that was the exact change to players / sim.
BTW, yes, there were certain defensive schemes that will allow more DE sacks at the sacrifice at something else.
Bort does this every season. Last season he changed how the secondary reacted and worked. Coincidentally, he did it during our game vs the hot mamas also. That was our ONE change in the defense for the regular season, because after that game and tweek we had to change our entire defensive planning. The fact that it was against the Hot Mamas again is really of little importance other than the fact that if it was a weaker team, we might not have been as aware of how major the change was. In fact, we were lucky to go against a solid team so we could see exactly how badly it affected our team. If we went against a gutted team, we might not notice that much of a difference at all (although this new "snap delay" change is HIGHLY apparent).
I'm not going to argue the fact of WHAT was changed. That is a matter of opinion. BUT I hate how the change is done in the middle of the season, with no warning, affecting regular season outcomes and potentially player effectiveness in the short AND long term.
/End rant
HurricaneBear
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NACJAC can't leave it's against the SE Asia charter sorry 
. and agree with your rant DHC, those mid season changes are killer. I was expecting much more QB pressure from all 4 teams you listed as well
. and agree with your rant DHC, those mid season changes are killer. I was expecting much more QB pressure from all 4 teams you listed as wellg-bay-be
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only 75% of your money from the 75% of the flex they give you. LOL
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dhc1978
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Yeah, my fault. I was just totally not amused at how major the change was and how out of the blue it was.
Bort had to do a quick change again the next day to counter the change he made the day before and it seems to be working much better now. In fact, it seems as if the change was almost taken out completely. And to think, if this stuff was properly tested before regular season on say.... a test server no one would have had to suffer through this.
Bort had to do a quick change again the next day to counter the change he made the day before and it seems to be working much better now. In fact, it seems as if the change was almost taken out completely. And to think, if this stuff was properly tested before regular season on say.... a test server no one would have had to suffer through this.
jrg42
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Bort claims that he tests out the changes with real players on a test sever. obviously, we have to take his word on this.
There does seem to be the need for an alpha test group to test changes prior to being released. Maybe test for one full season and then roll the changes in the following season.
There does seem to be the need for an alpha test group to test changes prior to being released. Maybe test for one full season and then roll the changes in the following season.
HurricaneBear
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I think we are this "test server" he talks about, and the changes on it are the ones we haven't figured out yet
Doug_Plank
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Bort may be a good programmer (which he is), but his QA absolutely sucks. As you mentuon, we are the test servers and the methods he uses on what he calls the 'test server' are insufficient at best. He needs to hire a QA team.. or fucking do something
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Originally posted by HurricaneBear
I think we are this "test server" he talks about, and the changes on it are the ones we haven't figured out yet
haha that would explain so much!
I think we are this "test server" he talks about, and the changes on it are the ones we haven't figured out yet
haha that would explain so much!
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