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Imagine if he got spin up to level 7 or 8...he would be like the tazmanian devel.

Speed WR's still seem to consistently break off long TD's. If you burn by the CB and catch the pass with no one in front of you, no juking or spinning is required to score.

Originally posted by taurran
Speed WR's still seem to consistently break off long TD's. If you burn by the CB and catch the pass with no one in front of you, no juking or spinning is required to score.

We're aware that speed makes elite WRs. He was testing a build.

EDIT: And obviously with the other examples in here, he hasn't tested it enough.

A great "agility" WR is going to have to out cut the defense, part of that is having enough speed to make separation. To that end, a 50 spd/70 agility guy isn't gonna get it done. He *WILL* if he's build as a possession guy get his fair share of catches, but a CB will be able to make up ground on the angles. You really need to be an "agile speedster" and not an "agile possession". I imagine a WR with a 70 spd/70 agility build could feast quite well. Enough speed to get away from LBers and some safeties with enough agility to outcut most CB's. That's the "bubble" you want to live in. Faster than the LBers, more agile than the CBs.

I'm not entirely certain that is possible, but that sounds like what you are aiming for.

I'll respectfully argue against you Packman, and say that seperation isn't an issue with 50 speed, 70 agility. Admittedly it's not stupid amounts of passes a game (4-12 seems to be the range on a balanced offence), but the increased reliability from the more chunky WR counters nicely the slight drop off in passes over the length of the season. Seperation becomes less of an issue if your strong and can jump, if you have the inside line to the pass, a CB isn't going to get past you that often (think a center boxing out under the net in basketball).

I can see the added advantage of the agile speedster in terms of overall production, but found it goes too close to the natural speedster, and allows for predictability on offence. A possession style agility build really isn't allowed for by many defences, and therefore it benefits from a bonus as a build (rock beats scissors ).

As far as a more in depth breakdown, i'll be updating my build thread after the final regular season game as regards my experimental agility receiver. It's fair to say i'm not yet settled on the build on a whole, and i'm still tweaking for better performance as SP allow, but it does seem to be a viable build for the most part.

My 63 spd/70 agi WR started producing OK for the first time in the latter half of this season, roughly correlating with speed going from low-50s to low-60s.

Originally posted by Iceman16
We're aware that speed makes elite WRs. He was testing a build.

EDIT: And obviously with the other examples in here, he hasn't tested it enough.

I'm just saying that it doesn't even make much sense in concept when you can build a speed or balanced WR and not even have to avoid defenders. Unless you have really high 1:1 ratio of spd:agi you aren't going to do very well anyway. Even at that, your catching skills will most likely suffer until later levels.

I've got a guy on one of my teams with 70 agility and 23 speed. It's ok to throw him in 4th/5th WR spots to throw off fast CB's, but I'd never want him starting as he just isn't capable of big plays.

TtD, wasn't talking about catching the ball, but being a YAC guy. I agree 110%, he'll produce yards and catches, but he won't be a YAC guy.

Originally posted by taurran
Originally posted by Iceman16

We're aware that speed makes elite WRs. He was testing a build.

EDIT: And obviously with the other examples in here, he hasn't tested it enough.

I'm just saying that it doesn't even make much sense in concept when you can build a speed or balanced WR and not even have to avoid defenders. Unless you have really high 1:1 ratio of spd:agi you aren't going to do very well anyway. Even at that, your catching skills will most likely suffer until later levels.

I've got a guy on one of my teams with 70 agility and 23 speed. It's ok to throw him in 4th/5th WR spots to throw off fast CB's, but I'd never want him starting as he just isn't capable of big plays.

I think he was talking about an ALL-agility WR though. Kind of like the ALL-jumping CBs that were coming up.

An ALL anything most likely wont perform too great.

You realize almost all LB's' have 80ish speed now.