Originally posted by honz
Needs moar Freebirds!
good posting
Needs moar Freebirds!
good posting
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I know zilch about the West, but it looks like you put some real thought into there, so good job! I can't wait to see the same for the East, since I actually have some idea of what the roster should look like 
Oh, and Dirk, considering William Davis is #3 in sacks and Reggie White #1 in hurries (not to mention that I can't remember the last time someone actually tried to run up the middle on us because of our DTs), I'm pretty sure we could rep the East damn well with The Big Uglies.
Oh, and Dirk, considering William Davis is #3 in sacks and Reggie White #1 in hurries (not to mention that I can't remember the last time someone actually tried to run up the middle on us because of our DTs), I'm pretty sure we could rep the East damn well with The Big Uglies.
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Originally posted by Saris
This is definitely cool and the type of thing the forum has been lacking this season. I'm looking forward to breakdowns of offensive players and the East as well.
This is definitely cool and the type of thing the forum has been lacking this season. I'm looking forward to breakdowns of offensive players and the East as well.
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Nice Work Capaneus. Keep it up.
I am shocked 4 Saints made the list. But you make good arguments for them
I am shocked 4 Saints made the list. But you make good arguments for them
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Originally posted by Jed
Oh, and Dirk, considering William Davis is #3 in sacks and Reggie White #1 in hurries (not to mention that I can't remember the last time someone actually tried to run up the middle on us because of our DTs), I'm pretty sure we could rep the East damn well with The Big Uglies.
Lawrence Jackson is first in sacks with 61, 10 ahead of Davis.
Minister of Defense is fourth in sacks with 48, 3 behind Davis.
Lawrence Jackson is fourth in hurries.
Lawrence Jackson is eleventh in tackles.
Lawrence Jackson is fourth in forced fumbles.
I probably missed some others though....
Who were your guys again?
Oh, and Dirk, considering William Davis is #3 in sacks and Reggie White #1 in hurries (not to mention that I can't remember the last time someone actually tried to run up the middle on us because of our DTs), I'm pretty sure we could rep the East damn well with The Big Uglies.
Lawrence Jackson is first in sacks with 61, 10 ahead of Davis.
Minister of Defense is fourth in sacks with 48, 3 behind Davis.
Lawrence Jackson is fourth in hurries.
Lawrence Jackson is eleventh in tackles.
Lawrence Jackson is fourth in forced fumbles.
I probably missed some others though....
Who were your guys again?
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Originally posted by BlueLineCop
How about Tony Sullivan http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=35170 and BoogieMan 22 http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=233043 ? They are the best DE tandem in the League.
South Bay is having an awesome season, so their defense is definitely doing their job. However, my listings are going by raw numbers, which those two guys just don't have. As a tandem, they have fewer hurries and sacks (13, 30) than the starter I've picked at RDE (22, 45). If you want to make a case for them, you have to convince me that their stats don't reflect their on field dominance. At DE, the four guys I picked have dramatically better stats then their competition, so I'm pretty confident in them.
Originally posted by D-will
Keyon'Dre Lewis
1ffumb 1sack 2Td's 11Tfl's 1Int
Making plays like this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=139541&pbp_id=7052044
75 Tackles but hasn't played against a gutted team yet.
Now this is a bit closer. Lewis's Pro Bowl score is 96, which is in the same ballpark as my two picks at LLB (135 and 119). However, aside from the play you linked to (which was sweet), I don't see anything that puts him over my two picks. He has fewer tackles, and a higher ratio of tackles to missed tackles, which is a bad thing for D-players. Def TDs are also a bit fluky, so I'm not inclined to give them too much weight until a player shows a habit of making them happen consistently.
Originally posted by coach
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Are CBs getting points for tackles? Some of the guys you listed seem to have "too many" tackles for a CB.
I'd take Max Flight over any of them.
Nah, I just goofed on the link- it should work now. For your second question: yes DBacks get a point for every four tackles. I'm still not sure how to judge the value of CBs and FSs, other than going and watching every one of their plays, which isn't realistic. So my rankings definitely need some help there. Max Flight does have more Ints than any of the CBs I picked, and his Pro Bowl score is comparable. The score currently gives 2 pts for a PD and 3 pts for Int. That's probably undervaluing Ints, which force a change of position. Flight has 20 PD and 6 Ints, where Johnson (the 2nd alt) has 27 PD and 3 Ints. Are three Ints worth more than seven PDs? Probably. But Flight also has been in 100 more plays, which makes his numbers less impressive, and he also has (one) more MsTks. Hmm. I dunno. Let me get back to this.
Originally posted by Galkuris
Players to watch:
DT http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=117812&playoffs=0
Reason to watch: Mike Dee has 2 very tough conference games left. Sack Youalso has the gutted Dayton and a current non-playoff team Washington. Thus Dee hasn't played nearly as tough of a schedule
CB http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26862&playoffs=0
Less plays per game, but nearly identical INT/PD numbers, and he has some hurries. Also, tackles are not necessarily a good thing for CBs. His PD+Int/Tackles ratio is quite a bit higher then the player at #4 (yes, you probably missed him due to not being the starter, but in our defense starter/backup doesn't matter)
Now this is exactly what I like to see, well put! I'll be happy to go back and look over things at the end of the season, but right now Sack Youalso has a long uphill climb to catch Dee. He's behind in every category, and especially in Tks, which are a good thing for DTs, as it means the play is being stopped near the scrimmage line.
As for Dawson, you're exactly right about why I missed him. I was only looking at starters, so I was counting on teammates/coaches to point out people I missed. Looking at his stat line compared to Johnson's, I find myself convinced. Their stats are almost identical, but Dawson has 50 fewer plays. I'll make the switch. However, I'm not convinced that tackles are bad thing for CBs- but I agree they may not be a good thing.
Originally posted by hud
Nice Work Capaneus. Keep it up.
I am shocked 4 Saints made the list. But you make good arguments for them
Judging by the numbers, you guys have a ferocious backfield.
How about Tony Sullivan http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=35170 and BoogieMan 22 http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=233043 ? They are the best DE tandem in the League.
South Bay is having an awesome season, so their defense is definitely doing their job. However, my listings are going by raw numbers, which those two guys just don't have. As a tandem, they have fewer hurries and sacks (13, 30) than the starter I've picked at RDE (22, 45). If you want to make a case for them, you have to convince me that their stats don't reflect their on field dominance. At DE, the four guys I picked have dramatically better stats then their competition, so I'm pretty confident in them.
Originally posted by D-will
Keyon'Dre Lewis
1ffumb 1sack 2Td's 11Tfl's 1Int
Making plays like this
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=139541&pbp_id=7052044
75 Tackles but hasn't played against a gutted team yet.
Now this is a bit closer. Lewis's Pro Bowl score is 96, which is in the same ballpark as my two picks at LLB (135 and 119). However, aside from the play you linked to (which was sweet), I don't see anything that puts him over my two picks. He has fewer tackles, and a higher ratio of tackles to missed tackles, which is a bad thing for D-players. Def TDs are also a bit fluky, so I'm not inclined to give them too much weight until a player shows a habit of making them happen consistently.
Originally posted by coach
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Are CBs getting points for tackles? Some of the guys you listed seem to have "too many" tackles for a CB.
I'd take Max Flight over any of them.
Nah, I just goofed on the link- it should work now. For your second question: yes DBacks get a point for every four tackles. I'm still not sure how to judge the value of CBs and FSs, other than going and watching every one of their plays, which isn't realistic. So my rankings definitely need some help there. Max Flight does have more Ints than any of the CBs I picked, and his Pro Bowl score is comparable. The score currently gives 2 pts for a PD and 3 pts for Int. That's probably undervaluing Ints, which force a change of position. Flight has 20 PD and 6 Ints, where Johnson (the 2nd alt) has 27 PD and 3 Ints. Are three Ints worth more than seven PDs? Probably. But Flight also has been in 100 more plays, which makes his numbers less impressive, and he also has (one) more MsTks. Hmm. I dunno. Let me get back to this.
Originally posted by Galkuris
Players to watch:
DT http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=117812&playoffs=0
Reason to watch: Mike Dee has 2 very tough conference games left. Sack Youalso has the gutted Dayton and a current non-playoff team Washington. Thus Dee hasn't played nearly as tough of a schedule
CB http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26862&playoffs=0
Less plays per game, but nearly identical INT/PD numbers, and he has some hurries. Also, tackles are not necessarily a good thing for CBs. His PD+Int/Tackles ratio is quite a bit higher then the player at #4 (yes, you probably missed him due to not being the starter, but in our defense starter/backup doesn't matter)
Now this is exactly what I like to see, well put! I'll be happy to go back and look over things at the end of the season, but right now Sack Youalso has a long uphill climb to catch Dee. He's behind in every category, and especially in Tks, which are a good thing for DTs, as it means the play is being stopped near the scrimmage line.
As for Dawson, you're exactly right about why I missed him. I was only looking at starters, so I was counting on teammates/coaches to point out people I missed. Looking at his stat line compared to Johnson's, I find myself convinced. Their stats are almost identical, but Dawson has 50 fewer plays. I'll make the switch. However, I'm not convinced that tackles are bad thing for CBs- but I agree they may not be a good thing.
Originally posted by hud
Nice Work Capaneus. Keep it up.
I am shocked 4 Saints made the list. But you make good arguments for them
Judging by the numbers, you guys have a ferocious backfield.
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Originally posted by Capaneus
RLB:
Starter: Nolan Ryan of the San Antonio Saints- The master of the LB blitz in the West, with 7 Hurries and 13 sack. Add 100+ Tk and you’ve got a dominant player. (166)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=27452&playoffs=0
Thats what I like to see.
RLB:
Starter: Nolan Ryan of the San Antonio Saints- The master of the LB blitz in the West, with 7 Hurries and 13 sack. Add 100+ Tk and you’ve got a dominant player. (166)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=27452&playoffs=0
Thats what I like to see.
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Using the stat line to judge the greatness of blockers (O-Line, FB and TE) is not really satisfactory, so I’m willing to hear counter arguments on those positions especially. I’ve decided to award Pro Bowl spots to an entire O-line unit instead of individual players. While this may perpetuate the animosity of O-line guys, I’m pretty happy with the results. The numbers are also skewed in favor of guys who are the focus of their team’s offense, as opposed to those teams who spread the ball around. Still, if you can make plays every down, that is a positive trait, imo.
QB:
Starter: Riverboat Gambler of the Bourbon Street Bullies- He’s a QB’s QB, with a 113 rating thus far in the season. Normally to get a rating that high, you’d have to come on the field very infrequently, but with over 800 plays, Gambler proves his talent on the field everyday. (290)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=38177&playoffs=0
Alt: Jade Falcon of the Kailua Daggers- You could say that the Daggers have a one dimensional offense, but what a dimension it is. He may go down more than a two bit hooker, but defenses know Falcon is going to throw it at them and they can’t stop him from putting up over 4000 yds thus far. (317)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26220&playoffs=0
HB:
Starter: Larry Smith of the South Bay Spartans- He’s the lynchpin of the offense on the best team in the conference, and he’s got the numbers to prove it: 3800+ yds, 44 TDs and 182 broken tackles. (441)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=28740&playoffs=0
Alt: Larry Csonka of the Golden State Athletics- A smashmouth style runner, Csonka picks up the tough yards game in and out. You can’t stop him, but you might slow him down. (311)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26466&playoffs=0
FB:
Starter: Alex Grey of the Golden State Athletics- Csonka and this guy are the best RB/FB tandem in the West, and he probably owes a lot of his success to running behind this road grader. (84)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26692
Alt: Bull Dozer of the San Antonio Saints- 23 Pancakes, 100 + yds and two TDs is a good season for an FB. (63)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=27141&playoffs=0
WRs:
WR1: Bobby Moore of the San Jose Spartans- In terms of raw numbers, nobody else is even close to this guy. With 1500+ yds and 13 TDs, he’s having the best season of his career, and it aint’ over yet. (301)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=43502&playoffs=0
WR2: Cloud Stryfe of the South Bay Spartans- His numbers aren’t shabby (almost 1000 yds and 9 TDs), but he’s been a consummate possession receiver, dropping only five balls in 100 receptions. (202)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=68406&playoffs=0
WR3: Melek Simoneaux of the San Antonio Saints- He’s got massive breakaway skills, with more total YAC than Moore, even on 50 fewer receptions. However, he also has a disturbing habit of coughing up the ball, with 4 FL this season. (204)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26219&playoffs=0
WR4: Ash Ketchum of the Minnesota Marauders- Over a thousand yards and seven TDs makes him a fine candidate for receiver number four. (185)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26174&playoffs=0
TE:
Starter: Captain Chaos of the Washington Extreme- At 687 yds and 2 TDs, he’s the premier pass catching TE in the West. He’s got a knack for breaking away, racking up 100+ YAC this season. (142)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=27989&playoffs=0
Alt: Tigger Cianci of the Kailua Daggers: A similar number of receptions and fewer drops, but less total yardage. However, Chaos is on the field far more, so it’s close. (118)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26165&playoffs=0
O-line Unit:
Starters: Tako Osone (C), Mic Dee (LOT), Logan Grace (ROT), Monta Ellis (LG) and Steve Dee (RG) of the Golden State Athlethics- A pancake machine, with 260 total. Allowing only 17 sacks makes them the best in the West. (35)
Alts: aqua boy (C), Dope Hacksaw (LOT), Mbai Mbai (ROT), Leyton Paine (LG) and Gravy Train (RG) of the Bourbon Street Bullies- Masters of the max protect, they gave up the least sacks in the West (12) and still put up a respectable 167 pancakes. (21.4)
QB:
Starter: Riverboat Gambler of the Bourbon Street Bullies- He’s a QB’s QB, with a 113 rating thus far in the season. Normally to get a rating that high, you’d have to come on the field very infrequently, but with over 800 plays, Gambler proves his talent on the field everyday. (290)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=38177&playoffs=0
Alt: Jade Falcon of the Kailua Daggers- You could say that the Daggers have a one dimensional offense, but what a dimension it is. He may go down more than a two bit hooker, but defenses know Falcon is going to throw it at them and they can’t stop him from putting up over 4000 yds thus far. (317)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26220&playoffs=0
HB:
Starter: Larry Smith of the South Bay Spartans- He’s the lynchpin of the offense on the best team in the conference, and he’s got the numbers to prove it: 3800+ yds, 44 TDs and 182 broken tackles. (441)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=28740&playoffs=0
Alt: Larry Csonka of the Golden State Athletics- A smashmouth style runner, Csonka picks up the tough yards game in and out. You can’t stop him, but you might slow him down. (311)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26466&playoffs=0
FB:
Starter: Alex Grey of the Golden State Athletics- Csonka and this guy are the best RB/FB tandem in the West, and he probably owes a lot of his success to running behind this road grader. (84)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26692
Alt: Bull Dozer of the San Antonio Saints- 23 Pancakes, 100 + yds and two TDs is a good season for an FB. (63)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=27141&playoffs=0
WRs:
WR1: Bobby Moore of the San Jose Spartans- In terms of raw numbers, nobody else is even close to this guy. With 1500+ yds and 13 TDs, he’s having the best season of his career, and it aint’ over yet. (301)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=43502&playoffs=0
WR2: Cloud Stryfe of the South Bay Spartans- His numbers aren’t shabby (almost 1000 yds and 9 TDs), but he’s been a consummate possession receiver, dropping only five balls in 100 receptions. (202)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=68406&playoffs=0
WR3: Melek Simoneaux of the San Antonio Saints- He’s got massive breakaway skills, with more total YAC than Moore, even on 50 fewer receptions. However, he also has a disturbing habit of coughing up the ball, with 4 FL this season. (204)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26219&playoffs=0
WR4: Ash Ketchum of the Minnesota Marauders- Over a thousand yards and seven TDs makes him a fine candidate for receiver number four. (185)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26174&playoffs=0
TE:
Starter: Captain Chaos of the Washington Extreme- At 687 yds and 2 TDs, he’s the premier pass catching TE in the West. He’s got a knack for breaking away, racking up 100+ YAC this season. (142)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=27989&playoffs=0
Alt: Tigger Cianci of the Kailua Daggers: A similar number of receptions and fewer drops, but less total yardage. However, Chaos is on the field far more, so it’s close. (118)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26165&playoffs=0
O-line Unit:
Starters: Tako Osone (C), Mic Dee (LOT), Logan Grace (ROT), Monta Ellis (LG) and Steve Dee (RG) of the Golden State Athlethics- A pancake machine, with 260 total. Allowing only 17 sacks makes them the best in the West. (35)
Alts: aqua boy (C), Dope Hacksaw (LOT), Mbai Mbai (ROT), Leyton Paine (LG) and Gravy Train (RG) of the Bourbon Street Bullies- Masters of the max protect, they gave up the least sacks in the West (12) and still put up a respectable 167 pancakes. (21.4)
Last edited Oct 18, 2008 20:03:01
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Originally posted by immagonnawin
Only 1 Freebird on offense + defense = FAIL
Well, I guess we'll have to settle for championship rings, right?
Only 1 Freebird on offense + defense = FAIL
Well, I guess we'll have to settle for championship rings, right?
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Originally posted by Capaneus
Alt: DeAndre Williams of the San Antonio Saints- Score-wise he’s tied with Vodka, but more tackles and fewer PDs equals a slightly lesser CB in my eyes. He does a better ratio of Tk to MsTk, which I like. (92)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=72211&playoffs=0
Finally, my guy gets some respect, thank you!
Alt: DeAndre Williams of the San Antonio Saints- Score-wise he’s tied with Vodka, but more tackles and fewer PDs equals a slightly lesser CB in my eyes. He does a better ratio of Tk to MsTk, which I like. (92)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=72211&playoffs=0
Finally, my guy gets some respect, thank you!
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Bent Slicer needs serious recognition. averaging 16 plays a game, 9 tds, and 700 yards receiving with a stunning 32 yards per catch, and 20+ yards Avg Yac.
Last edited Oct 17, 2008 21:02:56
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Originally posted by Capaneus
Using the stat line to judge the greatness of blockers (O-Line, FB and TE) is not really satisfactory, so I’m willing to hear counter arguments on those positions especially. I’ve decided to award Pro Bowl spots to an entire O-line unit instead of individual players. While this may perpetuate the animosity of O-line guys, I’m pretty happy with the results. The numbers are also skewed in favor of guys who are the focus of their team’s offense, as opposed to those teams who spread the ball around. Still, if you can make plays every down, that is a positive trait, imo.
Alts: Tako Osone (C), Mic Dee (LOT), Logan Grace (ROT), Monta Ellis (LG) and Steve Dee (RG)- A pancake machine, with 260 total, but they are a bit porous, having allowed 31 sacks.
Absolutely love the effort and the system of grading. Its beautiful. Thank you for doing this in an objective, and reasonable manner.
I do want to correct you on this matter though. Ricky McWaters has only been with the club for three games, and only been sacks in GSA 8 times, not his listed 22. So, the GSA line has, thus far, given up 19 sacks, not 33. Not a HUGE distinction, but we do take pride in our line.
After all, everything else sucks.
Using the stat line to judge the greatness of blockers (O-Line, FB and TE) is not really satisfactory, so I’m willing to hear counter arguments on those positions especially. I’ve decided to award Pro Bowl spots to an entire O-line unit instead of individual players. While this may perpetuate the animosity of O-line guys, I’m pretty happy with the results. The numbers are also skewed in favor of guys who are the focus of their team’s offense, as opposed to those teams who spread the ball around. Still, if you can make plays every down, that is a positive trait, imo.
Alts: Tako Osone (C), Mic Dee (LOT), Logan Grace (ROT), Monta Ellis (LG) and Steve Dee (RG)- A pancake machine, with 260 total, but they are a bit porous, having allowed 31 sacks.
Absolutely love the effort and the system of grading. Its beautiful. Thank you for doing this in an objective, and reasonable manner.
I do want to correct you on this matter though. Ricky McWaters has only been with the club for three games, and only been sacks in GSA 8 times, not his listed 22. So, the GSA line has, thus far, given up 19 sacks, not 33. Not a HUGE distinction, but we do take pride in our line.
After all, everything else sucks.
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Originally posted by Skarie1523
Finally, my guy gets some respect, thank you!
You deserve it. Congrats on a fine season. I tried to be as even-handed as possible, which has it's downside- all the flak I'm getting from my own team
Originally posted by murgy
Bent Slicer needs serious recognition. averaging 16 plays a game, 9 tds, and 700 yards receiving with a stunning 32 yards per catch, and 20+ yards Avg Yac.
I take your point, and this is a tricky decision. Here are the number of reps and net score for the four receivers I tapped:
WR1: 952 plays 301
WR2: 880 plays 202
WR3: 652 plays 204
WR4: 685 plays 185
Slicer: 211 plays 115
So clearly, comparing numbers between these guys is gonna be difficult. Here's the average number of points per play:
WR1: .316
WR2: .2295
WR3: .313
WR4: .270
Slicer: .545!
And by that metric, he blows everyone else out of the fucking water. So if I were starting a team today, I'd definitely want Slicer, and I'd want him more than at least two of my Pro Bowl selections. However, as I said, I'm going by the numbers. And I can't tell what Slicer's stat line would look like if he was getting 800 snaps. I'd bet his points per play average would go down. So, it's complicated. If Slicer got even 100 more plays, I'd put him in over Ketchum, for sure. And I will check back at the end of the season. But, ultimately, I'm going to stick with the idea that numbers are king. With more snaps, Slicer would likely be in, no problem. But that's a hypothetical. Anyways, I was debating how many receivers to name- should I go to five? six?
Originally posted by drazz00
Absolutely love the effort and the system of grading. Its beautiful. Thank you for doing this in an objective, and reasonable manner.
I do want to correct you on this matter though. Ricky McWaters has only been with the club for three games, and only been sacks in GSA 8 times, not his listed 22. So, the GSA line has, thus far, given up 19 sacks, not 33. Not a HUGE distinction, but we do take pride in our line.
After all, everything else sucks.
Thanks for the compliment and the correction. Credit for the system goes to Justafish, but I'll take credit for the effort. As for the GSA O-line, that's exactly the sort of thing I'd overlook, so thanks for bringing it up. Looking back I see 8 sacks for McWaters and 9 sacks for Thurgood. So that totals 17 (not 19), unless you guys had a third QB stashed somewhere? That puts you well over BSB, so I'll make the change.
Finally, my guy gets some respect, thank you!
You deserve it. Congrats on a fine season. I tried to be as even-handed as possible, which has it's downside- all the flak I'm getting from my own team
Originally posted by murgy
Bent Slicer needs serious recognition. averaging 16 plays a game, 9 tds, and 700 yards receiving with a stunning 32 yards per catch, and 20+ yards Avg Yac.
I take your point, and this is a tricky decision. Here are the number of reps and net score for the four receivers I tapped:
WR1: 952 plays 301
WR2: 880 plays 202
WR3: 652 plays 204
WR4: 685 plays 185
Slicer: 211 plays 115
So clearly, comparing numbers between these guys is gonna be difficult. Here's the average number of points per play:
WR1: .316
WR2: .2295
WR3: .313
WR4: .270
Slicer: .545!
And by that metric, he blows everyone else out of the fucking water. So if I were starting a team today, I'd definitely want Slicer, and I'd want him more than at least two of my Pro Bowl selections. However, as I said, I'm going by the numbers. And I can't tell what Slicer's stat line would look like if he was getting 800 snaps. I'd bet his points per play average would go down. So, it's complicated. If Slicer got even 100 more plays, I'd put him in over Ketchum, for sure. And I will check back at the end of the season. But, ultimately, I'm going to stick with the idea that numbers are king. With more snaps, Slicer would likely be in, no problem. But that's a hypothetical. Anyways, I was debating how many receivers to name- should I go to five? six?
Originally posted by drazz00
Absolutely love the effort and the system of grading. Its beautiful. Thank you for doing this in an objective, and reasonable manner.
I do want to correct you on this matter though. Ricky McWaters has only been with the club for three games, and only been sacks in GSA 8 times, not his listed 22. So, the GSA line has, thus far, given up 19 sacks, not 33. Not a HUGE distinction, but we do take pride in our line.
After all, everything else sucks.
Thanks for the compliment and the correction. Credit for the system goes to Justafish, but I'll take credit for the effort. As for the GSA O-line, that's exactly the sort of thing I'd overlook, so thanks for bringing it up. Looking back I see 8 sacks for McWaters and 9 sacks for Thurgood. So that totals 17 (not 19), unless you guys had a third QB stashed somewhere? That puts you well over BSB, so I'll make the change.
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Originally posted by Capaneus
QB:
Starter: Riverboat Gambler of the Bourbon Street Bullies- He’s a QB’s QB, with a 113 rating thus far in the season. Normally to get a rating that high, you’d have to come on the field very infrequently, but with over 800 plays, Gambler proves his talent on the field everyday. (290)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=38177&playoffs=0
Alt: Jade Falcon of the Kailua Daggers- You could say that the Daggers have a one dimensional offense, but what a dimension it is. He may go down more than a two bit hooker, but defenses know Falcon is going to throw it at them and they can’t stop him from putting up over 4000 yds thus far. (317)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26220&playoffs=0
HUGE gap between first and second here IMO. I know he's got a lot of yards, but is Jade Falcon really the second best QB in the conference? I think Pretty Boy is much better.
As the agent of a CB, facing the Saints always makes me a little nervous. The Daggers never worry me at all.
QB:
Starter: Riverboat Gambler of the Bourbon Street Bullies- He’s a QB’s QB, with a 113 rating thus far in the season. Normally to get a rating that high, you’d have to come on the field very infrequently, but with over 800 plays, Gambler proves his talent on the field everyday. (290)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=38177&playoffs=0
Alt: Jade Falcon of the Kailua Daggers- You could say that the Daggers have a one dimensional offense, but what a dimension it is. He may go down more than a two bit hooker, but defenses know Falcon is going to throw it at them and they can’t stop him from putting up over 4000 yds thus far. (317)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=26220&playoffs=0
HUGE gap between first and second here IMO. I know he's got a lot of yards, but is Jade Falcon really the second best QB in the conference? I think Pretty Boy is much better.
As the agent of a CB, facing the Saints always makes me a little nervous. The Daggers never worry me at all.
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