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Current CPU controled teams in USA (above the BBB level):

Pro = 2 west
AAA#1 = 1 west
AAA#2 = 2 east, 1 west
AA#1 = 1 west
AA#2 = None
AA#3 = None
AA#4 = None
A#1 = None
A#2 = 1 west
A#3 = 1 east
A#4 = None
A#5 = 1 west
A#6 = 1 east
A#7 = 1 west
A#8 = None

Total = 12 (4 east, 8 west)
In our normal promotion path (bolded) = 3 - all west

If he only moves the gutted teams with extra promotions to fill those spots, then there probably won't be too many extra promotions. If he moves down non-competive human owned teams, who knows how many there will be.

Originally posted by kcfdx
Current CPU controled teams in USA (above the BBB level):

Pro = 2 west
AAA#1 = 1 west
AAA#2 = 2 east, 1 west
AA#1 = 1 west
AA#2 = None
AA#3 = None
AA#4 = None
A#1 = None
A#2 = 1 west
A#3 = 1 east
A#4 = None
A#5 = 1 west
A#6 = 1 east
A#7 = 1 west
A#8 = None

Total = 12 (4 east, 8 west)
In our normal promotion path (bolded) = 3 - all west

If he only moves the gutted teams with extra promotions to fill those spots, then there probably won't be too many extra promotions. If he moves down non-competive human owned teams, who knows how many there will be.



Thats a slippery slope though, I hope he dont meddle in leagues that way. That would be horrendous. One season you could have 10 move up, and then the next season 2. That wouldnt do any favors for anybody but the well established upper tier teams. That would be a party for them. I sure hope not.

Originally posted by Husker Nation
Where are you going Jimo?

by some random freak catalyst in his formula we'll end up in the A leagues too

Originally posted by LithoMan
Originally posted by kcfdx

Current CPU controled teams in USA (above the BBB level):

Pro = 2 west
AAA#1 = 1 west
AAA#2 = 2 east, 1 west
AA#1 = 1 west
AA#2 = None
AA#3 = None
AA#4 = None
A#1 = None
A#2 = 1 west
A#3 = 1 east
A#4 = None
A#5 = 1 west
A#6 = 1 east
A#7 = 1 west
A#8 = None

Total = 12 (4 east, 8 west)
In our normal promotion path (bolded) = 3 - all west

If he only moves the gutted teams with extra promotions to fill those spots, then there probably won't be too many extra promotions. If he moves down non-competive human owned teams, who knows how many there will be.



Thats a slippery slope though, I hope he dont meddle in leagues that way. That would be horrendous. One season you could have 10 move up, and then the next season 2. That wouldnt do any favors for anybody but the well established upper tier teams. That would be a party for them. I sure hope not.

It moves well established teams up, which are less likely to fail, I don't see how it's bad. It busts up some low level league rivalries, but it should even out after a season or 3. Trickle down promotionomics!

Admittedly, I think that USA Pro should be the goal of any team. And I also have a player in USA Pro, and am admittedly biased toward the top league. But FWIW, my guy started in the same league my current team did, the original USA BBB.

That's all good and fine, but a team like mine, isn't even close to being ready for A, let alone AA or higher. We are just now getting to the point were we can compete in this league. So, if we earned our way to the A league, instead of defaulted into it, it would benefit my team tremendously. SO, teams in the past, got the benefits of playoff home game revenue and concession sales.

Youc ould potentialy have teams that were seed 5-8 getting promoted that didnt get the benefit of home game in the playoffs w/ the concession sales. So, then they go to what, A or AA? What? Now, they are just way outclassed, got no money to improve their stadiums and increased payroll if they go out and improve their roster if they choose to compete in the higher league now?

I can't help you cant see the downfall of such a plan. Sure, it's all good if you were one of the teams that have been hosting playoff games the past couple seasons, to get more revenue. And just waiting for things to go your way to get promoted to A. This is going to be our first season to make the playoffs, and probably wont even get to host a first round game. SO ya, I am biased against the plan. We havent had the benefits of past playoffs and just missing out on promotions.

So, what happens in this supposed ironing out over the next 1-3 seasons? It's and endless syndrome. What,teams wont be sold or gutted next season? Or two seasons, or three seasons? So, my hyposthesis stands true, one season you could have 2 teams move up that shouldnt, the next season you could have 10 move up that shouldn't.

They havent had the benefit of deserved move up's, that they made money to benefit their teams fromt he playoff hosting, which DEFINATELY makes a huge difference on future competitiveness. So,now they move up, and are going to be cellar dwellers AGAIN for two or three seasons until they can get competitive in that league, and by that time, they may get moved up AGAIN, without the benefit of the hosting of playoff games....

IF THAT AINT A FAIL SCENARIO, I DONT KNOW WHAT IS!

I guess it depends on what you think makes a team competetive.

I will admit that the way the game changes it's hard to keep up, but I honestly don't think for good teams that the effects of an "unearned" promotion are as bad as you are saying, although I don't know how much team money is made in the playoffs and how much it really affects your ability to pay salary.

And I also think that your team would be a bubble team at worst in A4 this year, and level even with the top teams by the end of next season with reasonable recruiting and responsible training and boosting, everything else being equal. You have a solid team.

Originally posted by JoSCh
I guess it depends on what you think makes a team competetive.

I will admit that the way the game changes it's hard to keep up, but I honestly don't think for good teams that the effects of an "unearned" promotion are as bad as you are saying, although I don't know how much team money is made in the playoffs and how much it really affects your ability to pay salary.

And I also think that your team would be a bubble team at worst in A4 this year, and level even with the top teams by the end of next season with reasonable recruiting and responsible training and boosting, everything else being equal. You have a solid team.

It may be solid, but we aren't competitive with the best teams in here. Louisville, Red Bank, App. just in our division, let alone the league. SO, maybe a buble team, but we arent even close to being ready for USA A. I would love to have a 1 or 2 seed, so we could collect the fat cash from hosting home playoffs games multiple times. The competitiveness comes from that cash and putting it into the stadium, so you canhave future increased earning income. Stadiums that stay stagnate have to cut payroll by reducing players over time or having alot of players in the tank that will take min. contracts.

Thats why I say, moving teams up too quick will do nothing for them but stagnate or hurt them. Hell my fan support right at this moment is 82/24/6. Should of saw it previous to the start of this season! I had to sell ticket on my 200 levels regular seats at below expected to move them. So, it's all about how well you do for how long you do well. Unearned promotions will do nothing but putting you in the cellar again, and have stagnate fan support or reduced fan support, and that is where the ticket values come from, stronger fan support, the more you can get. Thats a huge advantage for competition to get FA's. You going to get lvl 32 or 40 FA's when you cant even get everyone on your team that is lvl 24 their eq., hell no! It matters.

All this plan is going to do is cause turbidity of medium to low teams on the competitive scale, and allow the powerhouses to have cake walks. Turnover of players through FA and trading to get competitive in new leagues, cellar dwellers reducing ticket prices to try and sell tickets causing less cash flow, and other things.

I aint buying it.....If anything, he should of just increased the promo/drop rate. And gave some extra cash to the promoted teams to get and extra section on their stadium since all teams going down to BBB get reset. Like a 1.5M dollar promotion bonus to unearned promotion teams. Something to help them out.

He just needs to wipe the system. So much has changed. It's just the admiration effect. Everything he does without the reset over the last three seasons, makes me believe it the more he changes and doesnt wipe the system.

I have no idea what anyone just said. *grin*

I'll be at the bottom of the barrel, just look down and say "helloooooooo" once in a while. I'll be here, treadin water.

Jack