Why do you have to be in a trips set? I find it hard to belive all his sacks came in a trips set.
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The defense that they are running is a 3-3-5 nickel cover2 weak side shift blitzing the mlb and rolb it is the defensive formation the op is concerned about. I am sure you are right some of his sacks may have come from different formations but everyone that I looked at came from this defense. If this team constantly ran this defense it would be easily exploited with runs to the strong side but they don't. The op wants to know how to stop this defense so his offense can still use the 3 wide formations.
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Adapting and staying away from the other teams strength is what play calling is all about. I'm sure when Reggie was patroling the D-line for the Pack other teams can up with plans to stay away from his play making ability. If they must run a trips set, then they will just add to his absurd sack total.
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To all the idiots posting it's the RG's pickup - the RG is busy with the interior MLB blitzer. The point of the blitz is to tie up the RG with one blitzer while killing the QB with the ROLB.
The "exploit" is the retarded action of the LG - the LG always looks for a down linemen and routinely fails to ever do blitz pickup.
The "exploit" is the retarded action of the LG - the LG always looks for a down linemen and routinely fails to ever do blitz pickup.
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It is not nice to call people idiots. I don't want to argue about who should do what, I agree the LG should not block the NT, I am just saying that the RG picks up that blitzer when the HB goes out for a pass. If you don't believe me take a look at this replay. The RG in the op's example replays is so slow he looks like he is picking up the MLB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=167163&pbp_id=2694367
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=167163&pbp_id=2694367
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Originally posted by nickr1
The defense that they are running is a 3-3-5 nickel cover2 weak side shift blitzing the mlb and rolb it is the defensive formation the op is concerned about. I am sure you are right some of his sacks may have come from different formations but everyone that I looked at came from this defense. If this team constantly ran this defense it would be easily exploited with runs to the strong side but they don't. The op wants to know how to stop this defense so his offense can still use the 3 wide formations.
They run this defense a TON and so far noone has figured out how to beat it(it doesn't help that they have better builds and higher levels than pretty much every team but mine).
A lot of these ideas we already had, but their are definitely some new ones which should help a lot. Thanks everyone! For the record, I'm not sure where anybody thought I wanted to run 3 WR sets, we will run whatever it takes to beat them, and we'll probably have a FB(our FB is a stud blocker and athelete) in the backfield on most plays.
The defense that they are running is a 3-3-5 nickel cover2 weak side shift blitzing the mlb and rolb it is the defensive formation the op is concerned about. I am sure you are right some of his sacks may have come from different formations but everyone that I looked at came from this defense. If this team constantly ran this defense it would be easily exploited with runs to the strong side but they don't. The op wants to know how to stop this defense so his offense can still use the 3 wide formations.
They run this defense a TON and so far noone has figured out how to beat it(it doesn't help that they have better builds and higher levels than pretty much every team but mine).
A lot of these ideas we already had, but their are definitely some new ones which should help a lot. Thanks everyone! For the record, I'm not sure where anybody thought I wanted to run 3 WR sets, we will run whatever it takes to beat them, and we'll probably have a FB(our FB is a stud blocker and athelete) in the backfield on most plays.
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Originally posted by nickr1
It is not nice to call people idiots. I don't want to argue about who should do what, I agree the LG should not block the NT, I am just saying that the RG picks up that blitzer when the HB goes out for a pass. If you don't believe me take a look at this replay. The RG in the op's example replays is so slow he looks like he is picking up the MLB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=167163&pbp_id=2694367
Different plays. On the ones where the HB stays in to block, the rG can help. The play where the HB goes out to catch a pass, the RG will pick up the interior blitzing LB first.
It is not nice to call people idiots. I don't want to argue about who should do what, I agree the LG should not block the NT, I am just saying that the RG picks up that blitzer when the HB goes out for a pass. If you don't believe me take a look at this replay. The RG in the op's example replays is so slow he looks like he is picking up the MLB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=167163&pbp_id=2694367
Different plays. On the ones where the HB stays in to block, the rG can help. The play where the HB goes out to catch a pass, the RG will pick up the interior blitzing LB first.
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The "exploit" is being just plain better than all the other teams. Yeah itīs solid play-calling but it would not be as devastating against a team that is roughly equal in talent.
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Originally posted by Cassius
The "exploit" is being just plain better than all the other teams. Yeah itīs solid play-calling but it would not be as devastating against a team that is roughly equal in talent.
Somewhat but not entirely true. The LG being an utter fool lends itself to some shenanigans sometimes.
The "exploit" is being just plain better than all the other teams. Yeah itīs solid play-calling but it would not be as devastating against a team that is roughly equal in talent.
Somewhat but not entirely true. The LG being an utter fool lends itself to some shenanigans sometimes.
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Hilarious. I designed that exact same play for those exact same formations when I was building my defensive playbook. The guy I'm playing at ROLB is an 83 speed linebacker, but through 2 games he doesn't have a single sack. Has to be player build.
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Short passing with QB tactics selected to dump pass to the RBs often when checking down could do nicely against that defensive playcall. That might make up a little for the fact that short passing isn't normally that effective overall.
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Originally posted by Painmaker
Short passing with QB tactics selected to dump pass to the RBs often when checking down could do nicely against that defensive playcall. That might make up a little for the fact that short passing isn't normally that effective overall.
I think so.
This isn't exactly the same thing, but it's very similar. Our starting LOLB on Georgetown has 10 sacks, a far cry from the 58? cited in the OP.. But the premise is the same. He doesn't have the speed that the guy with 58 has, obviously. Also, running a 4-3.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=178539&pbp_id=4914839
We got burnt a couple times in this game from our aggressive OLB blitzes. They have a QB with excellent vision, I believe, as well.
Short passing with QB tactics selected to dump pass to the RBs often when checking down could do nicely against that defensive playcall. That might make up a little for the fact that short passing isn't normally that effective overall.
I think so.
This isn't exactly the same thing, but it's very similar. Our starting LOLB on Georgetown has 10 sacks, a far cry from the 58? cited in the OP.. But the premise is the same. He doesn't have the speed that the guy with 58 has, obviously. Also, running a 4-3.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=178539&pbp_id=4914839
We got burnt a couple times in this game from our aggressive OLB blitzes. They have a QB with excellent vision, I believe, as well.
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Last time we got blitzed like that, they got me for about 10 hurries and three sacks (more than we gave up last season in its entirety).
On the other hand, we completed over 88% of our passes and trashed them with our running game (3-400 yards I think).
Blitzing is a scalpel, not a sledgehammer...and it's not (quite) an exploit against a good team with a solid game plan.
On the other hand, we completed over 88% of our passes and trashed them with our running game (3-400 yards I think).
Blitzing is a scalpel, not a sledgehammer...and it's not (quite) an exploit against a good team with a solid game plan.
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Originally posted by tautology
Last time we got blitzed like that, they got me for about 10 hurries and three sacks (more than we gave up last season in its entirety).
On the other hand, we completed over 88% of our passes and trashed them with our running game (3-400 yards I think).
Blitzing is a scalpel, not a sledgehammer...and it's not (quite) an exploit against a good team with a solid game plan.
This blitz package does not hurt the defense against the run because there are no runs from this formation other than a QB draw, and a weakside sweep that leads the HB directly into the blitzing ROLB & MLB.
There are ways around this little blitzing strategy like checking to HBs, short passes. The real problem is that the offense has no way to precisely control what formation is used. You cant turn off the 3 WR sets, so you end up changing your entire offensive game plan to compensate for a single broken offensive formation that you cant turn off.
They need to give more formation control to the OCs or they need to fix these "broken formations" where the defense has such a strong advantage.
Last time we got blitzed like that, they got me for about 10 hurries and three sacks (more than we gave up last season in its entirety).
On the other hand, we completed over 88% of our passes and trashed them with our running game (3-400 yards I think).
Blitzing is a scalpel, not a sledgehammer...and it's not (quite) an exploit against a good team with a solid game plan.
This blitz package does not hurt the defense against the run because there are no runs from this formation other than a QB draw, and a weakside sweep that leads the HB directly into the blitzing ROLB & MLB.
There are ways around this little blitzing strategy like checking to HBs, short passes. The real problem is that the offense has no way to precisely control what formation is used. You cant turn off the 3 WR sets, so you end up changing your entire offensive game plan to compensate for a single broken offensive formation that you cant turn off.
They need to give more formation control to the OCs or they need to fix these "broken formations" where the defense has such a strong advantage.
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