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Simply put, a CB with 70:70 speed/agility up against a WR with 85:55 speed/agility is going to get beat deep at least once during the game.

If the OC knows what he's doing, that is

Originally posted by Kwill-bot
Simply put, a CB with 70:70 speed/agility up against a WR with 85:55 speed/agility is going to get beat deep at least once during the game.

If the OC knows what he's doing, that is

Think so? I've covered several 85/55 receivers and have only given up one play, all year, that was more than 10 yards.

Originally posted by Kwill-bot
Simply put, a CB with 70:70 speed/agility up against a WR with 85:55 speed/agility is going to get beat deep at least once during the game.

If the OC knows what he's doing, that is

BS basically. If the split between speed and agility is to big (and 30 points falls definately under that category) your guy cannot take full advantage of his speed. The best results occur when you keep the split < 10 pts.

My Cb is built closer to a 70spd/50agi/50vis and I am having problems with him overrunning the WR, doing a small little loop to get back, and by then the WR has the ball. He is getting thrown at a lot lately. This wasn't the case last season. I haven't really changed the speed or agility this season until I noticed this problem develop. So the question is, is it lack of agility vs. speed to make the cut and stay close, or is it the the lack of vision to react to the play or biting on fakes? Either, way it is making me question the spd to agi ratio.

Are you playing medium or close coverage? Also do the WRs outlevel you?

IMO, you need to get a minimum of ~70 speed to be effective. Below 70 speed, fast WRs can generally get around you, but 70 seems to be fast enough to stay in the way and prevent WRs from getting up to their top speeds. Whether a 1:1 speed:Agility ratio is really needed is very much in debate.. personally I've had a lot of success with around 70:50 and a lot of SAs. Others like keeping them at 1:1, which would probably require taking both speed and agility to the 3:1 cap (~60) and then spreading your equipment to cover both.

The end result is that once Speed and Agility are at the 1st soft cap, the best strategy seems to be picking something good and focusing on it. Could be more pure attribs, to bring the ratio closer and closer to 1.. could be getting 1 or two SAs very high.. doesn't really matter TBH. There are a bunch of ways to be a good CB, but being mediocre at all of them just results in mediocrity.

Oh brock, your advice always sounds like the best. And that is why I follow it. If one was not to go to the 1:1 route and focus on SAs instead, what would you recommend they keep their speed/agility at?

Too tired to give my thoughts at the moment, but sub-70 speed with 1 in shutdown coverge fwiw...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46524

Almost all catches are given to WRs underneath him, rather than over the top, so being burnt deep has been a complete non-issue...

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Too tired to give my thoughts at the moment, but sub-70 speed with 1 in shutdown coverge fwiw...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46524

Almost all catches are given to WRs underneath him, rather than over the top, so being burnt deep has been a complete non-issue...
He has a LOT of tackles. Tackles = Targets and Targets are not good. If you're good enough, you don't get thrown at, and when you do, you deflect/intercept it.

I don't care about level, because if you're playing against equal level competition(which both his CB and mine are), you can be judged on an equal scale.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=660782

Originally posted by Kayoh
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN

Too tired to give my thoughts at the moment, but sub-70 speed with 1 in shutdown coverge fwiw...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46524

Almost all catches are given to WRs underneath him, rather than over the top, so being burnt deep has been a complete non-issue...
He has a LOT of tackles. Tackles = Targets and Targets are not good. If you're good enough, you don't get thrown at, and when you do, you deflect/intercept it.

I don't care about level, because if you're playing against equal level competition(which both his CB and mine are), you can be judged on an equal scale.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=660782



Are you kidding me? You can't possibly judge a CB on tackles numbers, or any other stat. Did it ever occur to you that 1. your CB is terrible in run support, or 2. his CB gets tackles on receivers he isn't covering?

Originally posted by Kayoh
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN

Too tired to give my thoughts at the moment, but sub-70 speed with 1 in shutdown coverge fwiw...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46524

Almost all catches are given to WRs underneath him, rather than over the top, so being burnt deep has been a complete non-issue...
He has a LOT of tackles. Tackles = Targets and Targets are not good. If you're good enough, you don't get thrown at, and when you do, you deflect/intercept it.

I don't care about level, because if you're playing against equal level competition(which both his CB and mine are), you can be judged on an equal scale.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=660782



My argument isn't that my CB is god (though I odviously rather like his build/production), so I will not be addressing that part of your comment.

Please try to remember what we are discussing here, the speed/agility ratio for CBs

The point of what I said is that all those millions of catches you say I allow, they are all on hooks and slants of the 5-15 yard variety, where the WR is getting open as a result of his agility and my lack of agility and vision. My CB does not get burned deep from lack of speed.

So you can accuse my CB of being awful, but that reason for being awful is not that sub-70 speed, I can assure you. You miss my point when attacking my corners stats...

Every thread in this forum becomes a "tackles are good vs. tackles are bad" thread. Try to keep focused on the issue buddy.

haven't reached a 70 level speed yet
I gave up upping agility in favor of more speed and
add a few jump/catch for help to deflect

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Originally posted by Kayoh

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN


Too tired to give my thoughts at the moment, but sub-70 speed with 1 in shutdown coverge fwiw...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46524

Almost all catches are given to WRs underneath him, rather than over the top, so being burnt deep has been a complete non-issue...
He has a LOT of tackles. Tackles = Targets and Targets are not good. If you're good enough, you don't get thrown at, and when you do, you deflect/intercept it.

I don't care about level, because if you're playing against equal level competition(which both his CB and mine are), you can be judged on an equal scale.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=660782



My argument isn't that my CB is god (though I odviously rather like his build/production), so I will not be addressing that part of your comment.

Please try to remember what we are discussing here, the speed/agility ratio for CBs

The point of what I said is that all those millions of catches you say I allow, they are all on hooks and slants of the 5-15 yard variety, where the WR is getting open as a result of his agility and my lack of agility and vision. My CB does not get burned deep from lack of speed.

So you can accuse my CB of being awful, but that reason for being awful is not that sub-70 speed, I can assure you. You miss my point when attacking my corners stats...

Every thread in this forum becomes a "tackles are good vs. tackles are bad" thread. Try to keep focused on the issue buddy.

Errr so your speed is sub 70, your agility and vision are low, you dont have any shutdown coverage SA.....What ARE you good at? As far as I know, those are the only 4 directions a CB can go. High speed, agility/spd ratio, or lots of vision/shutdown

I did not say my agility or my vision are low, but rather they need to be higher to stop alot of those passes out there my friend...

I'm >< close to giving up on my CB. Has given up probably 4-5 long TD passes this season.

Speed 80+
Agility 55+
Vision 50+
Jumping 30+

And something like 3-4-6-3-5 in shutdown tree.

Any thoughts?!